Sorry PYA, it's hard to catch everything that goes on in shoutbox where I posted a week or so ago. The hosting service provides the bare box and short list of basic OS images to choose from. I built with the Debian 8 image along with all the manual yum installing/configing goodness that brings. I also used the emserver scripts from gameservermanagers.com to help do the empires install. I'm savy in *nix, but putting Empires on it was a new treat. The emserver scripts and instructions posted need a couple of tweaks. Also a couple of helpers found new entertainment in *nix's default securities compared to windows. : ) "hang on let me break out chmod one more time...."