Why is the sniper rifle going to be cut?

Theres no need for a medium range sniper rifle in a game where
I can put 3 bullets, in under a second, in someones head, across
the half map, from the hip.

 

I do all that, you fucking retard. Except that those examples actually mean that those players are really doing something.

Let's see what the fuck you do:

Oh, right. So you occassionally kill off the lone straggler and apart from that, you just drive around in jeeps. You're. A Fucking. Idiot.

You are the worst kind of player Empires attracts. Your kind is one the major reasons why public games aren't very fun to play anymore. You are the most useless appendage to a team there could ever be.

Leave this fucking mod alone, because it's obvious you don't want other people to have fun.

 

Well I find it rather anoying if I command and people behave like
"lol he wants us to go north, you cant force us stupid comm lol"

The commander usually has a good reason why he wants his people
to carry out his orders.

Commanding feels often like trying to command a horde of adolescence kids.
Its like "NO MOM, YOU CANT PUSH ME AROUND ANYMORE, DONT TELL ME
WHAT I HAVE TO DO, I GO OUT AT NIGHT TODAY AND IF I HAVE TO LEAVE
THE HOUSE FOREVER..." -.-

 

Seriously mayama whats with the " half map insta kill" lies u spam all over the forum

Also, demo or this didnt happen

 

LOL it was a statement huh? Is someone mad I ruined their thread with my obvious whine where everything I said hasn't made sense? Funny enough though that I keep shutting everyone up because there aren't any reasons against what I purposed. And stop thinking I want sniper rifle because I don't. I want it changed into a DMR(which is something like the NF already have). I just want it for both teams and have the NF one changed to better suit a DMR to balance it in. That way even people who loved the sniper get something out of it, BUT it forces teamwork and no camping for it to be effective. Obviously my balance plans and to take out the sniper rifle and change it with a DMR is way off because you've really given enough reasons to disprove me over just whining that this thread isn't a debate =P No need to get mad that I'm standing up for something you don't believe in :]]]

"Theres no need for a medium range sniper rifle in a game where
I can put 3 bullets, in under a second, in someones head, across
the half map, from the hip."

There you go assuming everyone shoots like you. Play in a game of empires and you will see most people can't shoot like you. Half the time experienced players always win as engys at those ranges because noobs don't know how to fire the assault rifles. The just hold down the mouse and fire away expecting kills. This gun will help in places for people who can't shoot and also give more to gun battles. Instead of kill, repawn(by engy), kill, over and over. You now don't have to waste your time trying to target an engy running from behind a rock, instead of a rifleman. Your DM takes out the engy while you concentrate fire on the riflemen or vise versa. The side with the DM will win in those battles he is in just because that's a whole 5 well places shots you can have over a spread of magazines of assault rifles(that most noobs put to waste holding down the mouse) :]]

 

People don't want to disprove your statements because they're sick of doing it, there haven dozens of threads where the same discussion has happened, this thread was supposed to end that, but you just had to continue to whine about it.

 

I wish you'd just shut up. You're talking absolute nonsense which has nothing to do with the scout rifle and just saying everyone else in empires is wrong.
You're disagreeing with everything said by everyone, and you look like an idiot.

Furthermore, you can't accept a general consensus as WELL as a decision made by devs, which makes you one of two things.
A) A troll
B) A freakin' idiot

Maybe even both.

Unless you can come up with a better reason than 'I like to snipe' or 'It's the only weapon that can snipe', please leave this thread.

You can consider this my most restrained reply of the thousands I had ready.

 

LOL are you kidding me? Why are you so pissed off? I just wonder what happens in real life is someone disagrees with you =P

Yeah I'm an idiot lets get that in the light since Empty says I'm an idiot :D Instead of whining at me, please read my posts? I swear I've asked you guys to read my posts SO MANY TIMES of repeating the same thing. And instead you say that "I want to snipe". What are you reading? 99% of my reasons go completely unnoticed and that's how I know I'm making a good debate. Instead of answering me, you guys ignore me and instead say I'm the one ignoring oyu when I keep giving reasons. There are even posts in their with people who agree with me. But I guess I didn't give any reasons and people are agreeing with me for nothing =P

Why are you restraining yourself? All I'm doing is posting against something I don't want to happen and that pisses you off? How about not post in the thread then if you don't want to debate and keep ignoring my points and stop saying I'm ignoring because every 2 posts I repeat it and still it's "ignored". Obviously no one read the wiki posts or any of that huh? Obviously I didn't make any good points that aren't even being fought against :]]]

Please calm down and post back on the debate at hand. If you wish, I'll go back and re repeat every thing I keep saying to rebuttal all those points originally. Instead of coming here saying I love you snipe and that's my reason, read my posts. You guys were obviously able to debate with me until all of a sudden I made all those points. Then all of a sudden I'm ignoring you when I quoted everything you guys said with a rebuttal.

And if you really need to get something out of you so bad that I pissed you off, just pm me and let this thread stay how it has been please. I'm still waiting for someone to actually rebuttal back to my rebuttals :]]]

And to Solokiller. I have no clue what you are saying. I'm assuming you aren't reading where I specifically quote people who say something and disprove it right under it with my reasons as being better. I've been trying to compromise since beginning. I know there is no point in long range weapons, so I gave a a medium range, effective, and balanced weapon to add in. One that can even be based off of the NF rifle and a new one added to BE. I haven't posted in those dozens of threads but I have read them. Those are whining threads with no solid reasons to back up anything. I gave you guys that and it's ignored and instead I'm the one ignoring :]]

I jsut want this debate continued and no more attacks. If you have nothing left to say against my rebuttals, then don't. Let someone else come join in with their ideas :]]]

 

Time to Die, you claim others ignore your posts, but you go ahead and proceed to ignore mine.

You want some gun to do the same job as the one we have already :

The only concern any logical person would be : But BE don't have something comparable!

Well guess what!

Can we please put this to rest now?

 

Allow me to quote myself as I replied to your last post that you ignored. I didn't or I couldn't be quoting myself =P

"No you still didn' get my point. I'm saying to change that NFHR more fulyl into what I jsut described. I'm saying you have something to base it off of instead of having to make a complete new weapon. So you still didn't understand what I meant. A bolt-action rifle with a scope that gives it more accuracy for medium range shots, yet the damage falls drastically for long range shots. Have is used EXACTLY how those quotes and the sight I just have shown said. Now the gun will have a great use, esp. for beginning of maps. Yet, 80% of people wont use it because those are the people that go camp for long range kills. This gun forces teamwork with squads at medium ranges where by yourself it would be ineffective. It's perfectly balanced in making it a team work weapon. And if someone used the, they will shoot at you first deal. Then that means that's less fire on the rest of your squad to target them enemy AND if you are good at aiming you can still take out targets before you are killed. That's 5 good bolt action shots which can dramatically change the battlefield. Easier then noobs running around with HMG's or assault rifles who cant' shoot at all and just hold down the mouse. This helps them actually do something as riflemen.

So you are wrong. It's about taking out the sniper rifle and putting in a DMR. Whether changing the NFHR into it, or making 2 new weapons or each team is up to the devs. This way atleast people who still like some sort of purpose in sniping can do it, but it requires teamwork or is ineffective. Most people will not use it for that automatically and that leaves it to people who help the team :]]"

The gun as it is now is not exactly what I am talking about. It is very close, but needs tweaks to change it. I said what tweaks those are so many times and how to balance it. Devs can base it by tweaking this, or making a new one and adding one for BE. So if you read my quote, I answered you and you ignored it :]]]

 

Chill out. Play the game some and use the riflemen. Things may become clearer. They have for me.
Take it eaasy.
Life is not so bad...
(I have a cold...I feel strange)
Use explosives, there quite forgiving when you don't make that head shot.

 

Wait who needs to chill? I'm assuimg not me because I haven't even been mad yet. Notice all the smilies :]]

I was just doing my last bit effort to debate a compromise by changing the sniper into a DMR is all. It's up to devs to take my idea or not, but at least I can put that out there. Just been waiting for rebuttals now :]]

 

i hate other ppl that use sniper on my team. I love when enemy snipers hit me cause i almost always kill them if they don't headshot me. Even if they kill me i take comfort in knowing that while they have got 1 kill, i built 5 buildings as Eng. I do however find it the sniper useful personally in the past. An example of this is the following:

On cyclopean i was being rocketsniped in the BE main, from a gren and eng team on the map edge top. So I went in the rax, changed to sniper, killed those mofos and then swapped back to eng. With out a sniper rifle that would be harder, as i was only just able to get them with the sniper rifle, as they started mortaring over their wall after they saw me aiming them up.

Previously i would walk around there to kill ppl who did that but, that can take quite a few goes to kill them as they have a superior position to someone trying to climb up there.

 

Oh, i'm sorry, but when did anybody say we're willing to make compromises?

 

The DMR is still a sniper rifle.
In fact, I don't see how it's different.

 

Gshhhh D: it works... at least sometimes. Maybee I overact abit bit D:
justa little little bit D:

 

No one did but that doesn't mean I'm still not going to put in my input and debate it from those who are against it. It's a mod in development. The development part kind of says all of it. Or am I the only one not allowed to have my suggestions while so many other posts are full of them? I really don't care whether select people don't like my opinions. If you don't like them, ignore me instead of pointing things out like this every little while. I'm trying to stay on topic for my suggestion :]]]

"The DMR is still a sniper rifle.
In fact, I don't see how it's different."

I'm assuming you ignored my posts on what a DMR is then. Let me repaste :]]

"First of all, check this link for the role of a Designated Marksman becaues wiki has weird definitions.

Linky

"The DM's role is to supply rapid accurate fire on enemy targets at ranges up to 800 meters (875 yd) with a highly-accurate semiautomatic rifle equipped with a telescopic sight. Like snipers, DM's are trained in quick and precise shooting, but unlike the more specialised "true" sniper, they are also intended to lay down accurate rapid fire."

"Designated marksmen are integral members of regular infantry squads or platoons, much like machine-gunners or grenadiers."

"* Snipers usually take a fixed strategic position and camouflage themselves (e.g. with a Ghillie suit).
* DM's usually change positions with their squad, and may or may not have more camouflage gear than other infantrymen."


So now tell me again how having a DMR is wrong with the real definition? You are assuming that everyone knows how to use an assault rifle at medium ranges with acc by knowing how to shoot it instead of the usual hold down fire(which I see all too much). Many people who play this game can't use assault rifles effectively at medium ranges because they don't know how to shoot it. The way they shoot, it can take magazines worth to take a target out. Now you take one precision shot to his head and there you go. Your squad just got the upper hand. AND if someone does decide to shoot at you first, that just gives your riflemen an advantage to shoot at them without taking fire back. So after reading that, tell me again how it wont work? And don't assume everyone knows how to shoot effectively because I find most riflemen don't when I watch their shooting styles :]]

And this weapon isn't for close range so you wouldn't even use it on a map with "corners". It's meant for big maps(like most maps), esp. in beginning when you fight for resource nods. A DMR gives the upper hand in a battle. He himself is seen as a high priority target, and he takes out other high priority targets. Helps your squad both ways :]]

And it's even better because you can just change around the NF rifle you've shown to make it into this and then add one for BE. Then that NF gun will have a better use in games. And again, this has nothing to do with the scout or long range snipers :]]"


If you would check the wiki, it shows exactly how it's different from a sniper rifle. Thanky for not ignoring my post this time :]]

 

I, like most people, don't sit down and play every game serioussly. Occasionally i am motivated, like most people, to give a damn and help my team. Other times i'm just playing a game for fun, and what i consider fun is up to me, not you.

 

Sounds good to me. Bolt action and the stamina drop between shots is annoying as hell.

Other day me and a random teammember were in the middle of this map with scout rifles early in the game along with rest of a team of engineers. We found the enemy building crap and dessimated their entire team from that HALF of the map and prevented them from building a bunker + turrest + rts. It was so cool, us shooting side by side lol (no i didn't have cloak... had stamina upgrade), that even an engineer came to drop a ammo box by us. Knowone told us to "go engineer because scout is useless" and that is a total proof about how killing the enemies players means something in this game despite their respawn a few seconds later. Their is an impact in terms of resources not being capped and enemy movements being interrupted.

Next day i was in a game where the team was getting hit alot with mortar fire from 2-3 enemy players. I took aim and got headshots on moving targets about 200 meters away. The mortar fire stopped. They respawned... i killed them again.

Their is no other weapon in the game that can do that at all... don't even think i could with a machine gun. I probably could scare them to shoot at me, but killing them? not without 200+ rounds and the accuracy upgrade and luck. But i could do it all with about 10 rifle rounds.

 

I'm going to make a video with all my long range rifle1 shots just to prove it works.