Tank Destroyer Stats & Features.

I'd like to see a PT Boat style tank killer. Small, fast, scream into a heavy battle, trying to avoid shots, dump one heavy shot and run. Now that would be fun. That heavy shot should have minimal damage to a CV, but major damage to tanks. We like fast vehicles!

Also it would be cool to give it a 4 second invulnerable button. Recharges at 1/4 the rate of discharge. 6 sheets or armor to place as you like. You have to get in and out quickly or you die. Tap the button - with skill - to absorb shots, or hold down and hope you make it out alive.

It would be cool if that weapon could be used to clear an area of infantry too.

Don't make it a CV killer though or that is all anyone would push.

Reload time should be long - like 45 seconds. And expensive - like Arty is now. COM would have to confirm request to buy these.

 

Now youre just taking a piss

 

If walls stop you then learn to drive

 

Blizz your posts are dangerously close to be considered plain stupid instead of just trolling.

 

It took me years to perfect.

Nah in all honesty, walls counter lights, heavies counter walls lots of lights roaming freely counter heavies

 

You could easily make LT's useful in late game following a % hull damage dealt by the TD gun. For Example, if I have a fast moving LT vs a Slow moving heavy, a TD that deals 20-25% hull damage each shot will be able to get 1-2 shots in on a light before it moves out of the range of the TD allowing lights to flank around and destroy it.

However, a slower heavy would have to engage it head on taking 3-4-5 shots upon approach killing it. This re-adds lights/mediums for their speed into late game to counter TD's while Heavies are directly countered. This adds variability and more team work needed, especially if it is weak in the rear so the TD is easily killable from the rear.

If you don't do it this specific way, congrats you just made Arty able to shoot at ground level with nothing special about it. Why bother adding in a new chassis?

 

Because if Lights can get behind it, where only 1-2 plates of armor are, the turn rate of the tank should NOT be fast enough to catch a light. The light could EASILY destroy the TD in place by hitting its rear or even side armor if it only has 3-4 plates on the side and not able to turn.

 

I have to copy & paste this again because it's being kinda omitted.

"What makes LT NOT useful?"
In World Of Tanks their LTs are useful scouts because LTs can actually see further.
In Empires? All tanks see the same shit.
Also our tank turret can turn with unlimited speed, that's another thing to fuck LTs.

Not to mention we got mines, turrets ...... all kinds of shit.

So, screw that "make LTs useful", you can't, you just can't do that without screwing the whole game, in the end it's not worthy.

I am sorry if you think that way.
But it's still a new chassis.
If you really want us to literally remake the game just for TD, I am afraid I am going to switch from yes to no here.

EDIT: Actually, I am fairly sure we'll have TD, it's just we most likely ain't gonna touch(possibly break) that many things for its presence.

 

Welcome to the downsides of a Tank Destroyer. Really good at taking out takes when in front of you and you need team support.

Exactly there are mines and everything, the TD becomes a team tank... it needs protection or it gets fucked. Not to mention on MOST MAPS TD's cant engage at range as heavies could easily engage at close range and flank it reducing effectiveness. Most maps have slight hills, buildings, ramps, SOMETHING to hide behind. Only maps I can think of that truly would allow TD rapage are Coast, Canyon, and I forget the last one but really only flat maps benefit from a TD being semi OP.

It's not screwing the entire game to make an LT "useful" its adding 1 vehicle that has LT being a strong weakness to it, that is in no way "fucking" over the game. In world of Tanks, LT's may see further cool, and they move faster. In Empires, they move faster than their heavy or medium counterparts, allowing for more maneuverability. There are some people that can take out heavies with light tanks because they can dance around heavies.

Your point about "Also our tank turret can turn with unlimited speed, that's another thing to fuck LTs." Great, a TD is stuck having to turn the WHOLE tank before it could fire on it and in the time it turns the light tank only has to go forward a little bit. TD's wouldn't have a turnable turret.

Turrets, mines can destroy an LT I agree, although LT's and AFV's still can out run turrets. That is why it would be important to put mines around the TD but in all seriousness who in the hell is going to do that for every TD on the field? We already have enough trouble getting people to go gren when a medium rolls into a base, now imagine late game grens rolling out and placing mines all over. Its impractical, you are finding reasons at this point to try and nuke the idea of a TD being weak against LT's and strong against heavies. I can go place mines all over the base late game to take out heavies, just like turrets can, great now we just countered heavies so we should rework them because they are now useless. This is a TERRIBLE argument for why "LT's" are worthless late game. It has its strong points, and its weak points.

You can do it without screwing the whole game, because if a shot were to say, take 20% of its hull health away it would be more devastating for a slow moving heavy than a fast moving LT. If anything, a flat damage cannon is punishing LT's and Medium tank drivers severely late game and with enough, will destroy the game because 3 TD's outside of an enemy VF would flat out destroy everything allowing your team to push lights/afv's to kill the buildings. A flat damage cannon can not work, it makes all tanks ineffective against it where a % health only makes certain tanks weak against it.

 

I was referring to heavy tank when I said "unlimited turret speed".
You know, it's not like no one will drive a heavy tank ever.

When I see LTs dance around me, here's my reaction : You can keep poking me while being utterly useless, I'll take out your heavy tanks first.

About mines, there's this thing called "wild mines".
I can't count how many 3-mine 4-mine..etc I survived because I was driving a heavy tank, I would not have survived if I was driving LT.
I spent probably 3~4k hours+ being in a vehicle, I would recommend you to buy my experience.
It's not talking out of ass and/or making up reasons.

I did not say TD itself would be the biggest threat against LT.

Also I already said, we can implement chassis-specific armor/hull resist, aka TD weapons deal more damage to heavy tank...etc.

 

I expect people to drive a heavy tank, its still end game but it also opens up LT's to be a possibility in late game allowing squads to consist of a couple heavies, a couple LT's and a TD making squad tank gameplay useful and cooperative (especially in scrims).

I know about Wild Mines, and in my time of playing I have hit quite a few myself, but usually it consists of 1-2 mine stacks which do not kill LT's or AFV's, only injure them. I rarely see grenadiers take the time to actually go ahead and stack mines all over the place in order to kill tanks, seriously look at the kill feed on a full server end game. The only time Grenadiers actually place mines is when they don't have money for tanks and are basically stuck in the weird infantry only/about to lose phase when they go gung ho on taking out as many as they can.

Please, about experience I have plenty of it as well. I have played this game for a very very long time under numerous accounts and names, I am a long time vet and I would almost wager I could take on most people in tank or infantry combat. I almost always top the scoreboard with most kills, most points in almost every game I am in, I have experience, I am not talking out of my ass either.

TD wouldn't be the biggest threat, itd be weak to an LT as the LT drives around the TD and hits its rear weak armor. Also, its easy to spot mines (especially if gren with defusal, that totally just negated mines being around), and even without you can drive around them since no team of grens would form a giant mine field around 1 TD, maybe 2-3 but not 1. LT's would be the complete counter to a TD.

I guess chassis-specific armor/hull resist would be good, but dealing a set amount of damage is still dangerous in my books.

 

So far this looks like a ridiculous special snowflake of a vehicle. Youre piling up the gimmicks like mad.
Vehicle resist? Nothing else has it
Hull damage? Nope, also a complete and utter nonbo with other tanks, promotes spam far as i can see. Hardly works if you dont add it to everything else as well.
Activated abilities? I dont even.

 

Its balancing, The Vehicle resist is actually a good idea for the balancing of this specific Chassis.

As for the Hull Damage, I now see your point Sgt., I agree Vehicle resist is the way to go with this vehicle, my apologies for being adamant about it in the first place it just dinged on me while at the gym. I guess making it do a % more vs heavies than vs lights would be beneficial, but I'm curious about the DPS output of the one gun? However, Id still suggest heavy front armor, light sides, almost none in the rear (just for lights to be able to kill it)

Although, I guess Hull damage could be useful (At least partial), because then the heavies would of course die but it would be a slaughter if there were 5 TD's that took out a heavy and lights were busy circling around the TD's that took out the heavy, itd prolly be 5 dead TD's with 1 dead Light.

Activated abilities I never said, and I agree that is far fetched.

This vehicle is suppose to be unique in taking out heavier tanks quicker while making weaker tanks take less.

 

Cannons properties:
Almost 0 explosion radius.
Reduced damage against buildings.
Speed of rail gun, trajectory of ranged cannon.
High single shot damage.

No MG/ML slot.
As for DPS, I wouldn't want TD to output more than 1000 damage in 10 seconds. (Rough number, don't take it seriously.)
The main idea is simple, I want it to be "not easy" for a heavy to kill a TD, I don't want it to be "ridiculously easy" for a TD to kill a heavy tank.

The problem with giving TD even higher DPS is obvious, TDs would kill heavy tanks way too fast that no one's gonna use heavy tank.

Surely we can drop heavy tank's DPS but you know, shit gets really tricky.

Again, chassis specific armor/hull resist will do the job.

As for armor, people will automatically load less plates on side/rear if we set a proper weight limit, we don't really have to force that.