List of small unintuitive things in Empires that aren't obvious to a new player

Yes, you're probably right.

That style of crosshair is also used to on friendlies as a suggestion to not fire, not as easy to show that no damage will be done.

So it's doubly bad.

 

Firing SMG at a vehicle is definitely top 3, if we are talking about the stupid things that a new player might do.

There's this thing that other games are using to spoonfeeding every shit, it's called tutorial.

 

I think he's talking about games that design gameplay mechanics that can be learned without a tutorial.

There are certain things in empires that simply can't work that way. The biggie is the commander.

If Spartacus was king of the world, the commander would be the only mechanic that gets a pass on unintuitive design and shit like squad powers would get funneled into the cv so players can worry less about wasting the team's money/squad points/map control and more about having fun. Let the com have his rts piece and let everyone else have their fps piece.

 

Players have no visual queues to a vehicle's health except when it's destroyed and health is zero.

Learning requires a feedback loop. You do an action, you get feedback and then you modify your action based on the feedback. Repeat until learned.

Since there's no feedback, no learning takes place.

 

This.

Also, flasche, you didn't consider a case in which the tank got destroyed by other stuff, but the new player doesn't know and assume he destroyed it.

 

Religious people have tremendous feedback from their peers because there is no other available feedback.

Incidentally, empires currently uses the same feedback method to teach. However, empires differs because we CAN have other means of feedback.

Those "other means" of feedback are preferred because they are more consistent. Look at any psych 101 textbook and you'll see that constant feedback is superior.

...inconsistent social feedback of religion is why atheists exist

 

I'm not letting you ramble into a straw man. Address the discussion points or stop posting.

 

I just realised I haven't played any new shooters. I feel blessed

With the shooty shooting of vehicles however (no one really does it to buildings), most people get told or see other people not doing it - not through direct feedback as Spartacus was saying. And originally I would have thought people would think their weapons do little damage, rather than none.

Also...I should probably have looked at the seismic nade text and added it does no damage to vehicles and infantry. Unless it's already there. I forget. Maybe we should call it a seismic disrupter instead and give it a different model. Maybe one that doesn't bounce to make it a little more interesting (read: difficult) to use, since people are always complaining about them.

 

I don't know. I don't know what these players play. Then again, Jeep Hat, so it's not like it has to make sense :p

For MG turrets...Level 3's should really be split into the heavy/low ranged turret and the light/long-ranged turret. One for actually pwning people who get too close, and one for sort of cover fire. It should be a choice between which one you want to get.

Sorry I'm further adding to the derailment of this thread by putting up gameplay suggestions rather than unintuitive things.

 

Admittedly, it doesn't happen to tanks constantly, but it happens occasionally.

 

stray shot into gas fill hole cap?

 

The way I see it, beside the fact that their effect on the player is highly annoying, mgs are really annoying in that they can fire downwards. Im okay with them being sentries and all, but that one feature makes all the xroads style towers assholery possible.

 

You're missing an important one...