Finally, a high PPI desktop monitor

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  1. Grantrithor

    Grantrithor Member

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    But those programs are all obsolete since you have Paint.net, Audacity, and pirated-sony-vegas-with-unreal-superhero-keygen-song-that-is-the-most-orgasmic-tune-ever.
     
  2. BigTeef

    BigTeef Bootleg Headshot master

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    See those black gaps look like shit and would drive me insane to watch a movie or play a video game with black bars everywhere.
     
  3. Z100000M

    Z100000M Vithered Weteran

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    I could dig the smaller side ones, to place a minimap there or something to the tune. But I share the senetiment. That plus having a 280 degree vision arc is blatant cheat.
     
  4. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

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    well then people who play 16:9 cheat aswell out of the perspective of someone with 16:10 or even worse 4:3 ;)
     
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  5. ImSpartacus

    ImSpartacus nerf spec plz

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    That's how I play. :headshot:

    I force empires to run at a higher aspect ratio in windowed mode.
     
  6. Z100000M

    Z100000M Vithered Weteran

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    It kinda is, but there is a diffrence between seeing 10% more to the sides and being backstabproof.
     
  7. Trickster

    Trickster Retired Developer

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    I have a 16:10 monitor, but I still play things in 16:9 with the desktop showing behind, as long as the game supports windowed noborder. I don't really notice it now, but it was annoying at first.
     
  8. ImSpartacus

    ImSpartacus nerf spec plz

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    It gets really wacky if you game at extreme aspect ratios. Fisheye city.
     
  9. Lazybum

    Lazybum :D Staff Member Moderator

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    So wait, changing the aspect ratio changes how much of the world you can see at once? I though it just scaled how big the picture is, so 1080 shows the same amount of the world as a 800x600. Now you make me wonder if I could do any better if I wasn't playing with a 4:3 aspect ratio.
     
  10. Grantrithor

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    There's a console command to change like aspect ratio but in the same resolution. It makes you dizzy after a while, but you can make everyone look like 2d cutouts, or if you mess it up, you can see every single player on the map at one time (which is really fucking bizzare and is something I'd rather not see again). I believe it's cheats only though.
     
  11. Candles

    Candles CAPTAIN CANDLES, DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUN DUN.

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    I don't think you can change the aspect ratio, but you change the FOV, that imaginary cone projected from your character's face that says how far to the left and right you can see in degrees. In games, it generally ranges from 60 to 90, even though human vision is 180 and goes up to 270 if you allow your eyes to move. But this is actually quite reasonable when you consider that there's a distance between your eyes and the screen which is rectangular, so it isn't a cone but a frustrum. It's also why major FOVs will cause fisheyeing, because it has to compress the sides into a smaller angle so that they'll appear on your screen.
     
  12. Grantrithor

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    No son I know what FOV is, it's not that. It was a random command I found in CSS called r_aspectratio (just looked it up). excuse the frag video, but he shows it. It seems like people only use it for frag videos, but anyway if you look at the very start he's got it changed so that everything looks much wider(therefore more uglier).
     
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  13. ImSpartacus

    ImSpartacus nerf spec plz

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    You can add launch commands like

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    -windowed -noborder -w 1280 -h 600
    and it'll yield a higher FOV in Empires. I think all Source games will do that. I'm not sure about the specifics of why it works.
     
  14. Candles

    Candles CAPTAIN CANDLES, DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUN DUN.

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    That's because FOV is scaled to the aspect ratio, and because most games nowadays use Hor+ for scaling the FOV, which means a higher aspect ratio gives a larger horizontal field of view. The other options are anamorphic, which gives those black bars; Vert-, which decreases the vertical resolution; Pixel-based, which only works well with certain types of games, and stretching, making it ugly as fuck but not changing the FOV at all.

    Changing the aspect ratio is pretty much the same as changing the FOV in a Source game.
     
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  15. Z100000M

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    Except for games which have no proper 16:10 support, nigga what are you doing?
     
  16. ImSpartacus

    ImSpartacus nerf spec plz

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    But you can change the aspect ratio, right? That was the original question at hand.
     
  17. Candles

    Candles CAPTAIN CANDLES, DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUN DUN.

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    Yeah, because setting the resolution is also setting the aspect ratio, r = w/h. When you use r_aspectratio to force a given ratio with a set width and height, then it has to stretch or squeeze everything for it to fit the screen.
     
  18. flasche

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    in case its a serious question (not sure simply because its empires forums)

    4:3
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    16:10
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    16:9
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    the difference between 800x600 and 1920x1080 isnt only a lot more pixels to the sides, its also a lot more pixels per inch, so a lot sharper image - but as long as you stay within the same aspect ratio you will see the same image - lets assume 640x480 and 1600x1200. same view but a lot more details at the higher resolution.
     
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  19. Lazybum

    Lazybum :D Staff Member Moderator

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    Neat, thanks for the visual explanation. That's the kind of thing that really helps show that there is an actual difference, words kinda leave a bit too much to the imagination.

    Though it's strange, I would think that 16:10 would show more of the vertical world. Actually by that thought 4:3 would show the most of the vertical world. Eh.
     
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  20. ImSpartacus

    ImSpartacus nerf spec plz

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    There are a lot of ways to deal with it. Candles laid out the popular ones in an earlier post.

    Some ways do provide more vertical viewing space in 16:10 (and even more so in 4:3), but Source isn't that way.

    As Eyefinity and other multimonitor gaming solutions become more accepted, I would expect more games to deal with the relationship between aspect ratio/resolution and FOV in the same way as Source.

    Also, tawhl-screen gaming FTW.
     

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