Yet Another Grenadier Balancing Thread

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Too many rules for discussions...

I wanted to say "just buff the RPG", but that would be terrible for the first 10-15min of the game. I'm a bit clueless as to what the class really needs.
I would like to see the main roles of the classes as:
Rifleman vs. infantry
Engineers vs buildings
Grenadiers vs. tanks
Scout whatever is left

In this case I think the RPG should be made a bit better against tanks. Maybe increase the RPG's damage 10% and decrease the reload time a bit. The mortar is already deadly and maybe just a tad to effective against infantry. So maybe the damage should be decreased a bit or increase the falloff in the splash area (but keep its size).

Ofc. this would make driving vehicles in early game a bit more dangerous...

 

Well, just wanted to consolidate various ideas and points of view here, you copypaste other threads if you want. And if mods think this is some kind of repost they have all the rights to remove it.
Who would even use dumb-fire one? There's almost no times when you use it that way (as destroying ML turrets and other devices). The tank combat is too fast to use it non-guided way for me, almost all the tanks can miss the unguided rockets by sligtly pressing forward/backward button. The only moments tank stops is to fire a nuke or siege a building, which is unlikely to shot unnoticed rocket at the target.
As for me, damage buff is obsolete at the moment, because all the armors are becoming stronger and stronger, with no changes for grenadier damages. Also we could use speed upgrade to make it feel more hard-hitting than it was (in Spike's testing the rocket speed was increased by around 15% i guess and for me it was really helpful). If we would buff the RPG the reload shortening would be even too much for the tankers to deal with.

 

Besides, you can already dumbfire it by not holding the fire button.

 

Well, if it would be that great in terms of damage it would allow building sniping again...
But the homing RPG is pretty good idea, but might be hard to hit desirable armor plate.
Also, there were ideas of giving Engineer explosives for destroying buildings at close range similiar to detpacks.
Maybe Grenadier could use something like that, but remote detonated and with big radius?

 

Right click to toggle between guided and homing.
Left click fires.

People get to use both, homing doesn't make them op, just able to hit shit.

 

yeah, i have to get used to treating suggestions in this community as trolling
how long does it takes to use mines to kill a building? and how easily one engi can counter gren shooting mortar at the building? but no, the remote explosives stated here are meant for killing tanks or infantry from another position

shit's very good, lordz2

 

I can kill a building in about 8 mines then about 6+ mortar hits for most buildings like radar/VF/Rax, of course I have to sneak into a base and not get seen sitting there dropping 8 mines then once they detonate go full panic mode and try mortar the buildings to death before one engineer can spawn backwards to save it all, not to mention it only works on near turret less bases because to get the time to set the mines you can't alert them.

Its actually quite a good tactic if you mine a cluster of buildings by placing the 8 mines between them, but its completely dumb that I end up playing grenadier like this.

 

Maybe if you removed sticky nade from riflemen and gave it only to grens that would make sense, else you might as well go riflemen and get a huge armour boost and rifle to shoot everyone with.

 

well, i thought not about having 10~ these remote bombs activated one by one, but more like 2-3 with slow throw animation and activating them at once

well, the gren has that big resist and his weapons aren't made for close combat (expect skilled mortar) and it would be dumb making him throw stickies and die than hold the line with RPG
but also it would be nice to be able to engage tanks when they want to drive over you, so I have mixed feelings about that

 

I don't know how this would work but:

Give the mortar its old stats making it early game artillery. Decrease its ammo to 2 or 4. Engineer supported. Make a ditch with walls for extra WW2 awesomeness or make a structure model for this as it has been discussed in an other thread.

Make a dumbfire rpg which fires a rocket that is faster and stronger than the guided missile. Perhaps as an addition by researching UML.

If we got a homing rpg it would need to lock its targets really fast or it would not be effective.

 

Ranger, the mortar is a loveable weapon by a lot of people in the community. Changing it to something it's not, is going to piss of a lot of people.

 

I forgot to mention that it could be replaced by a grenade launcher that works exactly the same way, except no firing angle.