The iPhone 5!

No free will or freedom of choice, impossible in a deterministic universe. Everything that has happened was guaranteed to happen, everything that will happen is destined to happen regardless of anything you do because there's no other option. For there to be another option, then there would have to be branching in the universe, but that's impossible unless there's some sort of randomness in the universe, but there's no actual evidence of randomness.

Problem with this is that philosophy breaks down when you try to apply it to reality. Because humans are stochastic. Actions and ideas arise from the complex interaction of fundamental processes, and seem to be their own process entirely. Which is why some are rational, some are irrational, and most fall somewhere in the middle. In fact, philosophy could be considered to be irrational, or better yet that rationalizing is irrational, being that what is rational varies from person to person. That first paragraph seems rational to me, but I know some people here will call it irrational and others will call it rational. The end result is the application of irrational ideas to irrational beings formed from stochastic processes. It becomes irrational to believe that anyone would actually do something like that and follow it in their daily lives, because it'd be irrational to actually do it.

The end result? Fuck defeatism. And this argument, it's going to go nowhere. Again.

 

No free will != predetermination

They are often discussed together, but they are not the same.

 

This depends on how you define "predetermination" (e.g. whether its that everything has been determined beforehand) and your philosophical view. They are the same in my book.

 

well its not an iPhone but, here is an iPad

 

Why de-fag this thread with intelligent discussion?

 

Let's assume a hypothetical third party would influence the human population arbitrary, that would change all the formed think patterns leading to new ones, ppl still have no free will but they don't do what they were predetermined to do, predetermination is a level above free will.
Influencing factors can be any kind of random occurens, ofc you could argue that it was predetermined to happen, but IDK how a tornado is influenced by whether you have free will or not...

 

Then you are changing the argument to "can there still be free will if there is external influences". I'm not one bit interest in having such a silly discussion since these terms have arbitrary meaning themselves.

 

Phew, I don't have to write code for iPhones.

 

So far we have purple cam flare issues, ugly chips, broken Wi-Fi, screen bleed and maps that could send you to the moon.

Don't worry, though, a bigger screen will make up for that!

 

Hows that Samsung when it comes to impress women?

 

Larger screen, larger penis.

 

larger screen = larger picture of my penis.

 

That's why I code for 40+ inch TVs.

 

So that's why you have a phone with a 3" display. :D

It only counts as penis enlargement if you can fit it in your pocket.

 

There is no penis, I am a kawaii Japanese girl. (According to Slade and Space Oddity.)

 

good post