The General League Discussion Thread (NO GURLZ!!!!!)

So yeah.

 

lol

 

no boobs no posts, HA !

 

Who do you guys think is going to win season 2 of the leauge?

I have my money on @

 

No way, CW will win

 

Its all about C9

 

We all lose for even taking part in it

 

Gurlz...

What are those? Never heard of...

(It is a joke.)

And KEU wins hands down.

 

BSID wins by default by not playing.

And tbh, this league needs more boobs.

 

Haxxxxxx

 

Yeah its too bad we don't have a league run by someone who is willing to be open minded and listen to the peoples opinions.. Maybe we should just start our own league that isn't run by 1 power hungry clan member who changes the map during matches in which his clan is losing.. And the pugs? we could set that up in 10 minutes with out the fancy stuff..

yes we can! yessss wee cann!! bsid can answer that phone call at 3 in the morning!

 

At 3AM Avair will be the person answering the phone. He never sleeps. I left my computer on one night and at 4AM Avair was spamming my steam friends chat. The real funny part is that this was the night before the last JPL match. So at 4pm that day I was spamming his steam chat trying to wake his ass up.

You ever notice obama is using bob the builder's slogan? How bitchin' is that?

 

nuh uh i sleep during clan matches

 

too true
thats why i chose not to join, and want to see how season 2 goes first before joining (hopefully much better than season 1)

 

Opie may not like this, but what Dizzy is saying is right and we can't give full points to a non-comm match. After talking it over with Knighttemplar, we think non-comm maps should be assigned 33% of the points of a normal comm maps. Also, both teams would have to agree to the map.

 

A separate ladder?

 

Non-comm maps won't be added until Season 3

 

I'm not too sure how many of you are opposed to non-comm maps being banned just because evan said no to them. Either way, I don't think they belong in leauge gameplay.

 

That seems to be the source of most complaints.

 

Since Evan did it.

Hmm, I guess I did word it wrong. Some people want a less complicated, that is not a "lets see who the best clan is format" (which I can see their point and waver on whether I prefer this or not). The current format, however, is what I want. I have two big objections to the current league.

1.) Dubee nailed it on the head, and I think it is the biggest objection. There is no one playing. This season was rushed AGAIN. Both dubee and I stressed after the end of last season that the PUG was probably the better thing to shoot for right now as other clans gain some power, and was shocked to find out 1 day before the season began that we were doing the clan thing again. Four clans are not enough. In about a month I think KEU could field a full team, z4g sometimes plays and GHOST could eventually get a team together. The league should have concentrated on these clans and help them finish recruiting for some rosters. So we could have had 7 full teams instead of 4 (this includes BSID, which may have participated if it weren't just 4 teams again). I had pointed this out BEFORE this season has started and nothing.

2.) This opinion may be lessed shared but I think is Valid. And it is Evan and the way things are handled. I personally want to see a MUCH more democratic league. In my ideal league, a meeting would be held before the start of the league to ask any questions and all clans participating in the league. All clans participating would then get 1 vote in issues concerning the current and future league queries. The "referees" would be given a total of 2 votes that are split according to what percentage of the referees voted one way or another. I do appreciate the fact that the referees have on the most part, changed the way the league has worked. But DAMN if it hasn't taken pulling of some teeth.
And, I know some of you will say, but Evan has changed the format to suit what the clans wanted but it has not been handled the neither correctly , fairly or unbiased. Going into season 1, I probably had one of the highest opinions of Evan (from what I hear from other people). There were decisions by Evan made last season that were absolutely ridiculous.

->1.)Started off the back, after the teams rolled to see who would go first, Evan tried to pull a fast one, those who were there paying attention will remember. I at the time thought well maybe he is joking, but later events have changed my mind.

->2.)We voted to change the rules somewhat, voting was pretty much unanimous, and then referees came back and said no. We presented our side and why the league would not work under the current system (and we were right)

->3.)Change the elimination rule hours before JPL could be eliminated. Now this rule change WAS necessary but was horribly handled. At the beginning of season 1 I argued against those maps that had not been finished and reason was found in my reasoning to eliminate these maps (an option still found today in the current rules which I like). I was then under the impression that all the maps in the league had been finished (I thought a "base map" was escort or district). But at the last possible moment, it was decided that this map was not going to be complete for the imminent clan match and the rules were changed on the forums. No one however informed JPL, the team that could be affected by this rule change, about the rule change. I posted here in these forums that someone should tell roor and after a couple of hours decided to track some JPL member down to tell them to tell Roor of the change. He was floored. He thought I was lying, surely Evan would have told him of a change.

->4.)SEEU vs. BSID conflict. Those who don't know SEEU scheduled a match (including date, time and match) against BSID that we had prepared for. When SEEU decided they would not have enough members they told us and we took it as a forfeit and told Evan. Though I can see Evans point of view on the issue, since they had not told what map on these forums, just to us, we may be lying (mind you they did post about challenging us, just not the map), no effort was made to contact SEEU about it. We were just blown off like we were making it all up. Luckily, to avoid an even bigger uproar, BSID was able to mobilize, find the leader of SEEU and tried to get a match going. Rules were changed (rightfully so)however so that all challenges required both the map clans were attacking and what map they were attacking from.

->5.) I asked multiple upon multiple times while waiting for SEEU to find enough members what the rules for if an attacking clan couldn't get enough and had to forfeit. But NEVER got any clarification. Evan was there and my questions were ignored. In observing the demo, Evan said (paraphrase) "If BSID would have accepted the forfeit there would be no counterattack". Now, this gives me the impression that BSID would not have been awarded the piece of land that SEEU was attacking from if they had forfeited. Which was exactly what I was trying to ask Evan about.

->6.)The ninja edit of the above challenging rules (4). Like I said above, the rules were changed so that attacking clans had to tell what maps they were attacking and from where. Roor was unaware of this change when he challenged BSID in the final match, I however told him of this rule change (had been effect for about 3 weeks). Evan then took it upon himself to not only tell me I was wrong, but to change the rules accordingly. I called him out on it and his first post was denial. I was on BSID Vent, and told everyone what has just happened. And we reacted. He then changed everything back and deleted all the posts that had to deal with the situation to make it look like nothing had happened and told Roor the true story about how the rules were changed after the SEEU story. He then told everyone who tried to confront him about it that he was only joking with me, but we had no outside communication besides this forum. It was no joke, he was changing the rules right before our eyes.

Now I know dubee said something about a map change, but I have no idea what he is talking about, maybe he can post that here (if it is true).

The above feels like the indictment of the king in the declaration of independence.

Like I said, I had one of the highest opinions of any person of Evan (even though certain recruiting techniques I thought were unfair, he still had my respect) going into this thing, and am left shocked about what has transgressed. Now looking at all the conflicts with Evan from last season, a season that had only 5 matches and 6 named conflicts, I'm sure you can see why I wish there was less power in the hands of Evan. And I don't think BSID sitting out this season is unreasonable either because of what I have presented above. I still do not know why I can't get some concrete answers in my other thread of ending the league that need to be answered before that time comes and people have conflicts about that.

Having said all that, Evan thank you for listening to the people and considering this idea and coming up with a reasonable compromise on this idea. I don't think 1/3 points is a bad idea, I like 1/2 better, but 1/3 is good. This will satisfy I think dizzy, simon and bitchslap (the only people on that side to make any real opinions) on your side who all suggested something along those lines and is good with myself and KT. I do not know what others who voted and presented opinions on my side will think but this is reasonable. I think we can all agree on this solution.

This raises one more question, would these count as 1 of the 8 that a clan most play in order to win the league. I would vote no, but this may complicate things too much.

LOL that took so long to write that I signed out and two replies were made.