Revive costs a ticket

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by Empty, Jun 12, 2012.

  1. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

    Messages:
    6,926
    Likes Received:
    148
    Trophy Points:
    0
    feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but the point of those rc scripts are to work out the balance needed for the next update ( final one ), so if noone complains and adds more details no the RC3 script they are going to be implemented, no?
     
  2. Trickster

    Trickster Retired Developer

    Messages:
    16,576
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It's not just about balance Lamer, it's also about trying out new things. The entire point of the new scripts is to try and inject some sort of variation between the armours and engines, rather than some rock paper scissors bullshit that we've rolled with for years. I want to really emphasise the difference in using the armours and engines, and force genuine playstyle changes for what you're using. Which is why I went for such radical changes early on. But now, things are settling down, and I need to fine tune the balance. I already cut the regen (and HP a bit) on composite for the next RC, but apart from fixing reflective as well, I just don't know what else to change.
     
  3. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

    Messages:
    6,926
    Likes Received:
    148
    Trophy Points:
    0
    REACTIVE MUTHERFUCKER.

    edit: mutherfucker is to make clear that you never listen when I tell you reactive is never ever used cause it is shit.
     
  4. Trickster

    Trickster Retired Developer

    Messages:
    16,576
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That's mainly because people are dumb. It has an insane amount of HP right now. 2 plates of reactive is equal to maybe 4 of Regen. If you actually take a genuine HP to weight ratio, Reactive is fucking awesome.
     
  5. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

    Messages:
    6,926
    Likes Received:
    148
    Trophy Points:
    0
    when you play reactive it feels way weaker than double the hp of regen, are the resists messed up?
     
  6. D.D.D. Destroyer

    D.D.D. Destroyer Member Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    9,509
    Likes Received:
    111
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That's something I can test granted someone helps me.
     
  7. -=]Kane[=-

    -=]Kane[=- Member

    Messages:
    2,925
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    0
    +1 for original suggestion, it would give revive the nerf which is since long overdue.

    but only in classic maps ... else escord would get anhilated by this
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2012
  8. ImSpartacus

    ImSpartacus nerf spec plz

    Messages:
    8,598
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    0
    When will you whiny ass bitches stop trying to nerf teamwork? Fail suggestion is fail.

    Learn how team-based video games work than come back and try again.
     
  9. BloodRaven

    BloodRaven Member

    Messages:
    810
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I agree with the pizza.
     
  10. -=]Kane[=-

    -=]Kane[=- Member

    Messages:
    2,925
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Fail rant is fail, how are 1 rifleman and 1 engy less qualified for teamwork than 2 engys? Yet the engy will be the main target, the rifleman might kill both engys twice while they kill his engy once and they still stand, got 4 points for reviving, have ammoboxes if they run out of ammo and they have no penalty for being reving each other instead of supporting their whole team consisting of other classes ...

    yeah teamwork ... sure ...
     
  11. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    13,299
    Likes Received:
    168
    Trophy Points:
    0
    revive isnt overpowered it costs half your juice. only thing which is (quite a bit actually) is squadrevive or actually it should be called squadteleprot. sure the engi getting close to the comm needs a bit of skill, knowledge, luck and/or teamwork but, given competent players, then its basically a win button. only good that organization usually isnt on such high level ...
    apc spawning at least is limited to your spawn-time.
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2012
  12. LordDz_2

    LordDz_2 Strange things happens here

    Messages:
    2,956
    Likes Received:
    93
    Trophy Points:
    0
    If this suggestion gets in and that rifleman kill those engineers twice, he would get a lot of tickets drained from the enemy team:
    2 engineers spawn : 2 tickets.
    Each of the engineers die twice : 2 x 2 = 4
    He would get 6 tickets drained, for killing two engineers.

    Another example:
    You're in a med tank, shooting at these two engineers, they're new to the game so they don't know about this mechanic that drains tickets every time they revive each other, so they're going to drain about 10 tickets each because all you have to do in your litte medium is to camp and shoot each one of them until they revive each other.

    All this would do is make it harder for noobs to play the game, they would get screamed at by their teammates for reviving team, "WHY THE FUCK DID YOU REVIVE ME NEXT TO THAT TANK YOU FUCKING IDIOT!?"

    How many times do you get revived each round? I tend to get revived 5-6 times, at least. That's around 6 tickets, and a lot of those revives allow me to stay alive for 2-3 seconds and then get shot to death again.

    All this would do is to reduce the time of rounds very very very fast or force people to turtle, because if they die, nobody would revive them.

    Bottom line: If you feel the need to nerf revive, nerf the skill, make it take more calc juice, but don't add something that tells people NOT to revive each other, while they at the same time get points for it.
     
  13. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    13,299
    Likes Received:
    168
    Trophy Points:
    0
    wasnt there like something about you get the ticket refunded when you revive/get revived?

    edit: no, not in the original suggestion at least ...
     
  14. Sweetie Belle

    Sweetie Belle Member

    Messages:
    7
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    For once... I agree with Trickster?
    Grape Juice?


    ________
    I am a filly and what is this?
     
  15. Trickster

    Trickster Retired Developer

    Messages:
    16,576
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I don't like Grapefruit juice, sorry. But Apple Juice, Orange Juice, and most other juices are good. But not Grapefruit juice. That's just not a nice taste.
     
  16. OuNin

    OuNin Member

    Messages:
    3,703
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    0
    i didn't read the thread past empty's post but i think it's very shortsighted. revive endgames are a symptom of high level play, which occurs in such a small community. it's nothing wrong with the game. it's just that so many players are readily skilled.
    other games like battlefield have similar mechanics but the skill level distribution is pretty medium so you don't see extreme high level play all the time
    conceptually, the current ticket system makes a bit more sense than battlefield, like you need one to get in the game, whereas in battlefield you lose a ticket for a death
    it reads well to players and is pretty well understood. making revives costs tickets kind of throws any intuitive gameplay out the window and the game doesn't make anymore sense
    all in all, revive endgames are a symptom from the respawn system and that should be fixed if anything.

    i feell ike losing tickets shouldn't be the total end of play. no tickets = no spawns makes it that revivep lay is highly valuable. if you just weakened spawning, like made respawns 20 seconds and up, people can still ahve fun and fight and more emphasis would be on killing the CVs

    the end game hunt where everyone is dead isn't that fun
    and a 20 second respawn isn't that big of a price to individual players
     
  17. ViroMan

    ViroMan Black Hole (*sniff*) Bully

    Messages:
    8,382
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    0
    perhaps a formula for the revive time after 0 tickets is in order. The more tickets you use past 0 the longer the spawn time. Every 3-5 tickets used equals another second added on to spawn time.
     
  18. Trickster

    Trickster Retired Developer

    Messages:
    16,576
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Perhaps leave it as it is because it works totally fine now.
     
  19. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    13,299
    Likes Received:
    168
    Trophy Points:
    0
    but only because atm once a team gets a refinary advantage it gets a huge res boost and can steamroll the opponent with indestructotanks.
     
  20. Trickster

    Trickster Retired Developer

    Messages:
    16,576
    Likes Received:
    46
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Diminishing returns on the refineries should help with that.
     

Share This Page