Oh My Fucking God There Are More Than 40 Players Online On A Wednesday Night

i know i fail getting my points across, but if youd take a tenth the time it took me to write up the shit im writing for deciphering what i mean, you might realize i think the stuff i post through. ofc im not unfailable either, yet please at least try to understand my points (not only you grant, i have the strong feeling i really fail the engrish language - so i dont blame anyone but me)

if you need 3 grens to take on a med (which would actually mean my 5 per heavy was too few), you need trice the grens of their tanks. now lets say they have 10 meds - apart of that you wont find such full servers - ALL your guys gonna be gren, no engi left (ok theres a theoretical space for two if you count comm aswell), while they still have 20 players that can do something else. and ofc its probably not that linear either - blahblahblah - yet ...

ive been argueing this for like 6 years with various people and publically on this forum, maybe even since i joined, idk - i doubt you find any new argument.

 

im sorry aswell, i just realized that its probably only me being sick and pissed because of that.

 

At first I was gonna disagree with some of that, but then I thought for a seconds and realized that for new players it is all true. I do feel it is a bit of question of ability, I know If I had 2 other grens with me, like say spike and freak, heavys would go down pretty fast I think. I know if they aren't the best drivers I can take meds by myself, lights are easy. But yeah, end game with like 3 heavys in your base it really starts to suck. Someone said it and I do agree a bit, it is heavy tanks that people have a problem with, Meds and lights are just fine. Actually I think it is compo heavys that is the real game killer for some.

Where did you get that? No armor takes less damage from rpgs. In fact reactive takes more damage from grens rpgs(and stickys too for some bizarre reason.)See, reactive is the only armor that has this line, and it takes 20% more damage. So it should take 156 damage a hit from a rpg.

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"InfantryMissileResist" 	"-0.2" 	//Gren Missles

Reactive is great though, against other tanks and turrets it soaks up damage. It is just tricky for some people because they complain about having 2 plates, even though that is 240 health.

I would like to point out that I was a scout with vehicle speed upgrade that entire match. Also didn't you have shield on that tank?(for those who don't know, shield was a armor with ridiculous regen so you needed a lot of burst damage to get through it.) If it was compo, then yeah getting through, what 8 plates?, was pretty difficult.

If it was stock 6 plates slow heavies would be played differently, but could be good. To be fair though, we have this already. Just research coolant as an engine, everything out runs you, if you get flanked you pretty much die because there is no running away, you can't turn very fast so spinning your tank to avoid death is a real challenge, engine has no balls so going up hills sucks. That last one could be changed, but this is all going off of what driving a slow heavy tank with coolant is like. It is great in choke point maps, but is terrible anywhere else, which is why no one would push heavys in certain maps if you made all of them real slow.

 

its not only true for new players, its just that we learned to live with it, i can handle lots of the things i described - i dont get run over that often, you just need to change direction late if you dont have walls or a turret, i know when to killspawn, that jeeps are an actual threat (i also can tell you who is in the jeep just by looking on the scoreboard), i know ml turrets are only good to get vehicles stuck on (so you dont place them upfront but under hobbes - something he still didnt learn - if you are in the nf cv and you see an engi with his calc out, dont try drive over him), i know that engi radar is great to get all sorts of stuff (including the BE CV) stuck while the camera acts as a ramp (wonder ive seen noone try that on new xroads so far, you should be able to jump the ramps), i know where snipers usually camp so i see them and i also know most cant aim (or actually aim to long, just fire, if the first one didnt hit, second one might, if not 3rd one, its huge damage anyway - also scope is overrated hinthint) so running zig-zag lets you get close enough to hit aswell. i mainly play gren (started when we had way less grens around) so some stuff is just no issue by design, but i also know that as engi i can throw seismics far enough to reach lvl3mgs as long as they aint built on some buildings like xroads. i could go through all points and tell with what absurd tactics id approach each problem. it stays, its absurd tactics - please dont tell me using ml/radar only to get ppl stuck, or just irgnoring ml turrets in a tank because they dont hurt you is sane gameplay design? or that rather then using your (unpredicted) main gun you drive over people because its more reliable?

so even if they are manageable, they are dumb mechanics.

and yes compo heavies (with 3phase*) are the worst ...

also thanks for the probably long time it took you to get the meaning of what i type :D


*shouldnt it actually be a DC motor btw or does it have a powerplant included?

 

I feel like I am alone in this regard, but a very nice thing about empires is that everyone pretty much gets a tank. Not only that but on certain maps, certain teams, and with certain tanks you could just keep playing around with tanks and no one cares. Like, I don't feel terrible for losing a tank, or get miffed when I want to drive one but can't because one of the 3-5 available tanks where taken by someone else.(something that happens in other games is what I am saying.) I don't really like the idea of limited tanks is what I guess I am trying to say. Might be neat to play with a server max of 5 tanks, though, this is something that needs playtesting because you can't really imagine how it would with empire's game play.

Also flashe, yeah I understand now. Though mls are useful, but unlike having 1 mg which can deter or even kill some people, you need bare minimum of 3. Using walls and buildings and clever placement can maximize the usefulness of mls too. Again though, heavies destroy mls real easy so turrets are useless late game. Spartacus can tell how amazing turrets are in early game to mid game, depending if you have players willing to build them. Actually this is another issue of heavies ruining some aspect of balance/general fun. Though I do somewhat think that turrets are more to be used as an extra person on the frontlines, not something to defend unmanned locations. Actually I think spartacus said something similar at one point.

I honestly can't remember the last time I dropped a engy radar. That should be changed so its somehow more useful. Maybe larger range than camera but only show stuff on minimap? This includes infantry. Or replace it with a jammer, prevents enemy engineer cameras from tracking your team. Something.

I don't know now, some of it is little empire quirks, things that work when they shouldn't really. Other stuff just seems... fair I guess. I don't think it experience I am talking about either. Like being able to siesmic lvl 3s.( though I do think you have to take a bit of damage to drop a wall to get close enough, I don't think you can nade it out of its range.)

 

see, if you would make infantry being able to fight tanks we could have an actual choice - and theres both kind of guys, infantrists and tankers, around thats the beauty of the choice empires suggest (but doesnt really offer). you still would get everywhere faster in a tank, you wouldnt be threatened by small arms fire and you still would carry a huge damage potential (reread, i actually asked for higher damage to inf since i find it more then absurd to headshot someone with stdcn and he doesnt die), all you lose would be your semi-invulnerability to grenadiers, the class which was brought to the front to fight you - they aint there for points, they are there too kill you. sadly devs* decided NF and BE engineers would be completely retarded and incapable of designing a rpg which can blow up jeeps, let alone tanks.

but blowing up stuff is why we are here in the first place. blowing up stuff is fun. sometimes you blow up shit, sometimes you are what gets blown up - thats (fps) life.

milkmaid says, blow up twice as fast but only pay half for your tank, nothing really changes, except for that your kills are less cheap and the guys fighting you have a real chance and dont have to hope for you to do something stupid.
ofc real values need to be found, double\half was only for simplicity.

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its actually quite simple to see - tank vs tank combat is good, inf versus inf combat is good, tank beats inf every time or at least you get away, repair and come back if its only a LT. trickster already lowered it a lot, i dont mean to blame him for all this, nor any other dev, its also you the community (id say us but i seem to have a rather contrary opinion) defending those kind of tanks, noone is free from peer pressure, not even kim jong ill.

*its always been like that, it was only worse, never better.

 

It's definitely easier to micromanage 4-5 units against 20.