Fml

Because communism has been successful in the past.

 

I'd take 200+ years over 70 any day of the week.

 

Typical leftist response.
Ignore argument and call opposition racist.

 

Mmm the idea of mechanical assistance in the western world is probably greek or maybe egyptian. Things like the archimedes screw pump or primitive construction equipment would have originated with the first large scale builders.

The idea of large scale automation was probably first done in england as part of the textile industry and with the invention of the punch card.

The idea of a mechanical mathematical engine was probably first realised in the difference engine which is also an english invention.

The first 'modern' programmable computer would likely be something like the one used during world war 2 to break german cryptography. A british invention. Although germany did have a considerably earlier one which lacked a couple of features.

As to modern computers they are such complicated devices that they are probably designed by people from all over the world, although many of the parts and applications are probably constructed in india and china, certainly development teams are recruited from all over the world.

If you want the greatest driving force in inventiveness however it is not capitalism, which did not exist until fairly recently in human history. It more probably war. War drives people to invent things to avoid being killed, or simply because governments often give a lot of money to scientific programs in wartime as long as they can get useable weapons out of them.

Amusingly, in wartime, the free market is often suspended, as are many liberties, all in the name of protecting the country of course. A state which is supposedly the opposite of everything American is often the mother of the greatest inventions. A lack of nationalism also helps because it means that you can recruit people from other countries. Nationalism is probably one of the greatest impediments to human progress, because it prevents so much cooperation. Although I suppose it does create a lot of wars, so it can't be all bad.

 

Flasche, that article that you posted said that the nagasaki and hiroshima atomic bombs were example of state terrorism.

Apparently you never heard of the casualty rate for both american and japanese soldiers in the pacific theatre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_War#Landings_in_the_Japanese_home_islands

Even better mine has Citations and isn't considered biased.

Could you imagine what would have happened if several hundred thousand US soldiers and a million Russian soldiers invaded the Japanese mainland? 2 bombs killed 240,000 civilians. Somehow I doubt that is anywhere near the average casualty rate of around 90%. I honestly doubt there would be a japan left if it weren't for the use of nuclear bombs. To call it an act of terrorism is blatantly ignorant.

At any rate, I think the past 7 pages have been absolutely full of retards arguing over national pride. There is a reason for many americans owning guns. several million of us hunt. America is a big place, and stating that the nation, as a whole, is more dangerous because of it's gun control policies is absurd. You need to compare apples to apples. Brittain is nothing like the united states as a whole, either by topography or demographics, therefor is moot point.

As far as self defense with a fire arm, I'll restate something I've posted before. I actively avoid situations that may put my life at risk. I don't walk down dangerous neighborhoods at night, and I don't drive through them either. In my opinion it is far too late for the US to try and create any sort of gun control, especially with laws that prevent the unlawful search or seizure of private property. I can own whatever the fuck I want, and as long as there is no probable cause for a police officer to search my residence, I can keep it there. Not being legally allowed to own a gun just makes it that much easier for people using them to keep it hidden. If I was not legally allowed to have a gun, and committed a crime with a gun, all I'd have to do is say I don't have a gun. Without the gun or any evidence that I had a gun, there is no reason to search for one, as I am assumed to be a law abiding citizen.

At any rate, as stated before, the US is so diverse demographically, topographically and socially that you cannot understand my point of view on the matter, nor can I fully comprehend yours, so it's an argument best left for when we go house swapping.


*edit* o inventions.

Yeah, I would attribute all of the earliest forms of mankinds inventions to the Aztec.

 

lol, what? The space age was driven by the US. The best military and a lot of research comes from that, and it bleeds into the civilian sector. Medicine is being advanced in the US. But really, the US isn't the only captitalist country, right? Go sum up all the countries that are capitalist and the invents while under the influence of capitalism.

Counterpoint: what did Russian invent? Hmm? I mean....to sum up Russia: they could have kicked off rocketry in the 19th century. A Russian scientist did a lot of work that Robert Goddard did later. But no one cared. No one even looked him up. It's only more recently we realized that GOddard unknowingly duplicated this guys work and then took it many steps further.

In capitalism, you can think big, you can dream....no worries about offending the government...get and idea, find the funding and go. That...doesn't happen in communism. The west is also far more advanced culturally then the warsaw pact countries are; better living conditions.

As far as listing inventions? I don't need to. They so numerous that I could walk through your house and point to a vast majority of the items that were invented in the west...under capitalism. And I mean...technology...it's centered in Silicon Valley...in CA, USA. Whoops?

 

Russia - Stalin
China - Mao
Laos - Choummaly Sayasone
Cuba - Castro
Best Korea - Ill
Why do communist states tend to have all the dictators?

Mccarthy was never the leader of America. His power was fueled by the growing fear of Communism in the US and was ultimately brought down by the forces of free democractic America in a peaceful manner rather than revolutions.

 

I accept as you accept your position. Rise as my vassal and take your sword.

 

Flasche, I like to point out that none of those articles have any information on what russia was doing at the time either. Remember that 1950's - 1980's there was this thing called the cold war. US and Russia predominately were involved in making sure we both knew that we had nukes, and were willing to use them. The idea was that any communist country was in bed with the russians, and any democratic nation was in bed with US. Right or wrong, both nations secretly or not so much so tried to destroy eachother's way of government in several different nations around the world. Most notable among them are our failures; Vietnam, Cuba, and North Korea.

I'm not as familiar with the specifics as I should like, but I would like to point out that Russia had been in the business of doing much the same thing, and it was called the warsaw pact. They tried to bring in Afghanistan, for example, and failed (in no small part to the US providing them with large amounts of weapons and helping them build bunkers iirc, which came back to bite us in the ass 20 years later as they turned around and blew up 2 rather large buildings in new york city.)

I hesitate to say that we had it coming, as Europe has a long history of such subjugation, but feeding the flames of wars and not taking any responsibility for the outcome is not a good thing either.

All I'm saying is that, though you are quick to point out the evils of the United States in the past 100 years, remember that you have your own history to account for. To some extent, most americans share this history at some point. There are only 2 ethnic groups, African Americans and Native Americans who don't share this history.

At any rate, it will suffice to have you accept that we are all from the same place for the most part, and share much of our history at some point. Also that none of that history is very pretty.

Not sure what else to say other than "you guys probably did it first".

 

A pretty pimp assault rifle imo

 

Germany invented it, russia stole it, as did everyone else really but russia looks most like it. Then everyone east of russia stole russia's design.