having markets regulating social life is simply inhuman, its not their job to care for distributive justice and it cannot do that (its completely contradictionary in the end)
not humans that believe in markets as their new gods (god in the form of moral justification for laws) too bad enlightment failed (or is not yet completed) and emancipation is still overdue ... our economics are a meme, nothing more. there is no natural law behind it.
Actually I think memetic theory is a real psychological thing. The way people pass information among groups is a quite complex and research-worthy area of sociology/psychology.
its so cosy up there. what would you want me to reply to? your opinion will be that im talking bullshit and free markets would regulate themselfs anyway. its nothing but theory. our markets are not raw numbers, markets are psychological constructs - memes. bad news and a pessimistic prognosis and they can crumble, though in reality they didnt even change a bit. its not real, its just believes, a new religion. and all it does is to maneuver us into some sort of technocracy brrr ...
Erm, the entire concept of value is just belief. A loaf of bread doesn't have any built in value, you can eat it, but it has no value to a person who isn't hungry, whereas a person with no food would find it extremely valuable. Numbers themselves aren't 'real', they're intellectual constructs, designed to allow humans to understand the world. Nature does not quantify the world, nature just exists, without thought or intent or anything. I have no idea what you're complaining about honestly.
only odd that the laws of the market are presented as if they would be laws of nature and that everyone disagreeing with deregulated markets is treated like a heretic. power has to stay with the people and not be given up for new gods. there was enough blood spilled to get rid of the old ones already. and once the illusion of new eden, which our societies are built upon, fades more and more, people will be prone to any form of fascist propaganda again (its already quite bad)
Each time some first world countries removed most restrictions and allowed a real free capitalism the system crashed. Ecconomist thread people like numbers in their constructs and theories. Thats the biggest problem. They assume that everyone invests and works in a way that maximizes his own wealth. Those systems do not consider the destructive behavior of mankind. It ignores the manager that leads his company into bankruptcy because he ignores that he could lose the gamble. It ignores decision that are made out of ignorance, greed, hate etc. The only way to prosper wealth in capitalism without a downside is war or a natural disaster. Something that reshuffles the cards. Oh and REALY free capitalism would be another form of anarchy. It just replaces the fist with money.
There's no such thing as a "law of nature", unless you are talking about physical laws. We're animals. We get our drive from hormones, not rationality.
ok, then i rephrase, "the laws of the market are presented as if they would be physical laws and that everyone disagreeing with deregulated markets is treated like a heretic." though my dictionary translates "naturgesetz" as "law of nature" - maybe natural law would be more suitable?
lol, i didnt even pirate those titles. dx might be interesting, though i didnt finish the first one either ...
itt, people think they can do economics and can figure out what is best for a country to sum it up a little, the EU has improved the quality of life of individuals massively, partially because of the euro without the EU we would be 100% passengers on the usa dept train, now we at least can provide some stabilising effects to it a strong Europe is in the best interest of any country currently in it the downsides are minimal and besides for politicians having less power on a nationstate level (the primary reason countries have so many political drama before joining, politicians knowing they cant keep there own little shed as it is when its all europe) and on greece, i dont get why they dont just declare it bankrupt and clean the slate, then invest in the country to get it on its feet again sure it will cause some problems in the short run, will give some feel of "not taking responsibility" to anyone but Greeks and will possibly cost more then just loan em money they will never return but in the long run its far superior to anything it will actually give the greeks a chance to get out of the negative spiral of dept -declare bankrupt and start over -invest in industry and education with loans (that wont be used to pay off old loans, since they were bankrupt and the slate was cleaned) -reap what was sown 10-25 years later as the greeks are wealthy bitches with top notch education
While in an important country like the US, this guy is currently winning the Republican nomination to be President of the United States of America: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6VnTqpTqvQ#t=40s (Note: REAL Campaign Ad)
I'm not sure what you're smoking but you haven't given any example of what you're talking about so no one can falsify what you said. That statement belongs to same class as "there's god"/"there's no god". I gave you specific examples. You can tell me where I'm lying. Other than that tell me 1 thing. Where do taxes come from and what is efficiency of their spending? (hint, if I came to you, stole 80% of your income, spent 10% on myself and told you how to spend the rest you would either treat me like a bandit and get rid of me or you'd be an idiot.) And you know, 1+1 is also a theory.
You see, Soviet union tried, Cuba tried, Poland tried, China tried and they all hit the wall of economic laws. Economic laws, not "deregulated market laws" or other crippled bs that Marxists invent to be easier to beat than the real thing. Let's be honest. You never lived in communism. You never saw empty shelves. You live in wealthy country and can pretend how socialistic you are when in reality you'd shit yourself after 5th hour of standing in a queue to get meat. You're a hopeless case, I've tried to explain all of it several times and your replies always omit every thing I said not to have to falsify using facts.
