Playing The Long Game: How Risky Short Term Behavior is Sometimes the Best Way to Win

I wouldn't have a problem removing them from Viper to be honest. Though I fear then the focus will then just shift to district andcod/bootybay or any of the other maps that are able to support low player counts. There is always going to be repetition when there are so few people playing and so few maps able to offer consistent gameplay with less than say 10 players.

But basically if enough active players ask for changes it will happen. Certainly with regards to Viper the only thing that stands in the way of changing the map cycle is that nobody ever messages me to talk about it. In the past when people requested things to be added or removed it was done so I don't understand your pessimism. The only agenda we really have for what maps are available to choose is utilitarian - whatever pleases the most amount of people, even if in many cases I agree that they suck. But hey - people vote for them and that has to tell you something.

If I had my way we would play chain, a lot. But what is actually good for server population and what is actually the best maps are not the same thing and people need to keep that in mind too.

 

What I am saying is, there were a couple of times where there was a lot of dudes (as in more than 14), with more guys coming in and it all went to shit ,because people apparently have bile nostalgia towards money or want to play a clusterfuck district. Both of which are terribly efficient at killing the server in their own ways. Also any gimmick map. rainbowroad, wintergames, minigames and all that jazz are all fun and nice.. the first couple of times. The way I see it, they are more of a"Lets play this on demand and if the company is right" type of deals and have no place being in the nominmation menu.

Actually, new that i mention it, how hard (oh boy, I know this one doesn't come up alot around here) would it be to change the way how nominate works? Current many a map starts with a bunch of assholes nominating all the crap and then you are stuck in a situation where the only way to have fun is not to play the game. Why not have it so that maps need several nominations to make it into the vote? Normally I'd ask that the risky shit such as raiboo get a penalty to that, and to have the number be dependant on the number of players, but thats coding so fuck that. Another viable option is to limit the amount of nominations per player. Prefferably to a one.

 

I'm ok with money, but district is 99.999% shit and anyone who bans for spamming smokes on district is 100% retarded. District shouldn't be on the list because the only point to the map is throwing concussions at each other, because it's impossible to play seriously.

 

On another note, and please hear me out on this one azk,


ONE MONEY. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF MAGNETS PICK ONE AND REMOVE THE REST.

 

While I certainly agree that district is a shit magnet, there can be some proper fighting done on it. (its still shite in my book) What really sucks is what happens when you hit the SD. You'll end up with a slugfest that can go on for dozens of minutes. Dead guys will just leave the game because they can't actually play.

 

Also, ditto goes for district. Noone cares about the longer middle hallway.

 

yeah I hear you

 

Castle is a flip-flop for me. Its really bad in that you have like 10 seconds to join and have to rush the 2nd flag at once. If be holds it, nf is fucked because they can camp the blanks and spawn camp all day long. If Nf makes it, Be gets screwed really hard, as holding the last two flags is next to impossible and is a giant speed+melee faggetry magnet. I bet the idea here was making multiple routes viable, but it really doesnt work with the map layout.

 

Castle is just a poorly designed map.

Whoever made it didn't really understand vertically. The first point is so low. BE can put cameras that will completely cover the entire map before flag 2 and out then uh places that NF can't get. And that's before we talk about the two long, straight, uphill walks to get to the second flag. It's ridiculously easy to defend.

And then there's the issue of players spawning on their current flag. That makes it hard for be to capture the first flag and bring the shitstorm to a merciful end.

It's a gorgeous map and it deserves to play better than it does.

 

Blight made that map.
And I agree that winterminigames should only be played with lots of people and like max once a day or so.

 

The problems are deeper than that. The very structure of the map is flawed.

NF is almost always fighting uphill and BE can easily exploit that.

Grens can dump mines on the stairs that are partially concealed by the steps, making them harder to identify than normal.

And even if you spot them, it's harder to jump over them because you're going uphill.

You have to do all of this while there are grens spamming mortars & rifles spamming nades down the tight stairwell chokepoints.

We would already see mines & spam on any tight corridors even if they are flat (District much?). Castle is horrible because the elevation makes those shitty tactics almost ridiculously effective.

 

I find it suprising you guys get a diffrent impression. I think nf is the easy side on that map. I always go be and most of the time it is still a landslide loss. Trying to defend the open ass flags or trying to retake them is usually an excersize in futility.

 

Wat. That 4th flag tho... easiest point to defend in the entire game.

I find it incredible that you think NF is the easy side. Unless BE really drops the ball, they should always win.