Let me tell you something

The first kind mostly doesnt stick around for long periods of time, the second probably doesnt even exist.

You could make the former from the forum regulars though.

 

Getting rid of people who use rape threats is on my higher priority list, and it was a inside joke that only me and zood would get.
Then giving the word back its meaning and it should be avoided, we are adults and we should not throw that word around out of context like that especially as jest towards each-other.

I am the biggest offender of this, and thanks to med school I realized how dark that reality is and hope that people would just go back to regular curse words than sexual violence. Like I feel more comfortable people calling me a idiot, cunt, generic uk euphemism ect. Shit I will even take physical violence long as a penis doesn't get involved.

I will apologize when we actually get one and people discover how to actually use the word correctly.

What im confused is why would people accuse ikalx as a sjw when hes just asking people to stop using the N word.
That sounds reasonable, its unrealistic to me because the internet is inherently offensive and racist but its a very thoughtful approach.

But suppressing it is just going to incite more of it, we have first hand experience of this happening.
If we want to get rid of racism, just stop talking about it. Avoid the conversation and don't reprehend people who use it.

Before I took time out of my day to teach people how to use the command vehicle.
Sometimes I was even willing to do a one on one with the CV in another server.
What do I get in return?

They abandon the game and I never get a reason why.
I don't know how to keep my patience when I find out I wasted my time teaching people who get bored of empires.

 

I didn't mean to suggest that all of our problems would be solved if every single pub match turned into a seminar. That's unrealistic and it might not even have good results.

The point is that while player retention is a complex issue with many potential observable & unobservable factors, the biggest factor is probably the game itself, not the community.

Most noobs play on low pop pub matches where chatter is minimal (be it politically incorrect or otherwise). There are often only a handful of capable players and you generally split yourselves across the teams evenly to make the games fairer. You're not always playing with a player that you'd normally chat with.

Contrastingly, on a larger match, there are people that you know and at least a couple are often on your team. Furthermore, you generally have quite a few specs chilling with not much to do. For example, the incident that caused ikalx to get bent out of shape occurred in spec on a boring escort match. New players don't spec, so they usually even hear that stuff.

So I speculate that the player retention issue is probably mostly caused by the game itself, not the community even though the community tends to be on the rougher side in non-game-related chatter.

 

Thanks Teef, but I have to say I have very few problems regarding race in my life (so far). I've actually only rarely been offended by it, but then again I don't get called a paki very often so it's generally okay. Similarly my gender has never stopped me from talking about women's rights.

People usually give me shit for being me, which is so much more relevant than having brown skin.

Secondly, that's called being defeated. Or defeatist. I recognise that some things are out of my control because people in the Empires community are generally pretty canny, and after a 2 hour debate with myself against usually 3 or 4 people, I can get outwitted pretty easily on why people shouldn't use that term. For the record though, I said the pacified version probably wasn't as big a deal. That's not ideal of course, but that's life.

List of terms I generally hate:
Rape
******
Sexual slurs (other than rape)
Racial slurs (other than ******) & anti Jewish stuff
General other bigotry
General unnecessary swearing - that's usually abuse like "fuck this fucking shitty comm you fucking don't know how to play, give me the fucking ref you fuckhead" and said comm is already doing what they should be, just not looking in the obscure corner of the map and instead attending to the APC rush in main - for just a second.

In fact my only ban on Vipers since I received admin 6 months or so ago was to ban Blakkcooper for that one time, for half a day.

Sorry Cpatton, objectively I like you (like lots of people in Empires) but I get that kind of response a lot and it leads into that kind of argument. "Oh you don't like this because you're clean cut/prude blah blah" ...no, I fuck around a lot. I like to have a lot more fun than I let on, but that's because arguing/discussing on the internet in anything other than a pretty logical manner is pretty pointless. And here it's pretty much always the way that if you want to be taken seriously and make a point that makes sense, it has to be logically put down.

Regarding the whole Star Citizen thing, maybe it's because I like the people I play with to be pretty kosher. Like maybe not make [SS] joke clans - that's an example although I that thread didn't really register for me. It's not really a slur on you, although if you feel like that maybe that's just a guilty feeling. Most of the people who are my friends on the net have my back, both in real life and out here. And Star Citizen is a different game with a different community, so I don't have to judge by this community's standards, I can judge by mine.

I do want to apologise for that though. I tore up your thread a bit unnecessarily and I'm sorry for that.

Like I said, it was something like "talking about these sand ******s" or "well if you really want to do something about these sand ******s". Though the latter statement doesn't imply harm, it's a discussion on immigration or something similar.

Just to clarify, my colour, which has never ever been an issue in this community - until perhaps now, does not influence my input here. The conversation without the "sand" is just as offensive.

It's happened to people I know. It's happened to me. And it's happened to clanmates of mine.

It never used to be like this. BSID were a bunch of elitist bastards, but they didn't rag on everybody. They rubbed your face in the dirt and were the epitome of the "when's the last time you won a war" taunt. JPL were a response to BSID and were much more genial. They would generally be chilled and deadly, and occasionally people would be rude but still not that often. CW had 50 active players at one time, and more on the roster. Only Daruck and maybe one or two others were ever rude. Ziooom is like 50x ruder now, but that's after the fact (and if that's what he's like not depressed, I don't really mind tbh).

There were a good 150 or so people who had the average level of abuse of about "pillock". Cunt seems to be the baseline now - at least for people who know they can get away with it.

There's usually one or two newbies who spec when they see people in spec. They often fly under the radar, but they're what pimps out spec from like 4 to 6 people.

I think your defence of this...is sadly going to reflect very little upon yourself. But I'm not one of those people that think the most visible should be punished most, just the most offensive, and that was what came before you.

 

Actually he IS admin.

 

I never expected for it to help the game, I taught people how to play the game because I was tired of commanding and dealing with a situation nobody else knew how to handle it except for me and a select few.

I taught them so the incident of a team unaware of what to do would decrease, and give better quality matches which is what I wanted all along. Unstacked teams and a fun competitive atmosphere.

Now that balancing is not a problem anymore besides a few hiccups, I can go back to complaining about stacked teams again than performance and non-nonsensical balancing.

 

As far as Ikalx's moral standards:

Look at the end of the day it's a game and people should play, work together, do their best and win or lose have fun. They shouldn't denigrate others but nor is anyone perfect, above the fray and the competition completely, and people can lose track of what they are doing, but they can still be decent and if they aren't they can be warned. If people in this thread can compare my thread to racism and sexism (when none is present), I'm not sure how me saying he is a little bit SJW or that he has high ethical standards is particularly wrong. He got pretty deep there...

Idolization? Yea, because my thread speaks volumes of how much I idolize... Spartacus?
... it's about scripters? Everyone should call themselves "ImSpartacus" (Imspartacus! No Imspartacus!)? How about "lament the unfortunate roll back of scripts from 2.6.2, which was of course the best version of empires ever made and the roll back is the only reason you would have died (obviously)"? How is that even anything else except completely nonsensical and ridiculous, I don't have to admit any of it is concerning and I'll tell you why with your own argument in the same post:

Really? So the fact that there isn't any discrimination in Spartacus Scripters lore means it's != Nazi Germany. Got it, when you come up with some racism, sexism, or otherwise discriminatory behavior from [SS], I'll assume it's concerning then. if BE can cherry pick WWII Germany traits, why can't [SS]?

He's got you there, that's a perfect example of a bannable offense if I saw one.

Sexism is dumb, and hurts a group of people - it should be punished.
Racism is dumb, and hurts a group of people - it should be punished.
Hitler is dumb, and jokes hurt Hitler. Hitler jokes should last to the end of time for all I care, how in the WORLD is anyone offended by Hitler jokes? Heres a great one right now, yet easily way more reason to be offended . Is this what we are banning people for? Hitler was a terrible person. If someone starts telling Bush or Obama jokes are we supposed to ban them? There is no justifiable political group which should align with Hitler to defend his name, so open season boys. As, my idol, Ikalx said, "Our forebears weathered starvation, disease, war and strife, misery and death. And yet now we cry over the figment of it, and try to spread that misery around, instead of enjoying what we have and the simple act of playing a damn game."

 

But that's precisely what caused social unrest amongst Jekotians who were unable to integrate within the BE society because they're genetics were incompatible with nanomachines.

 

gamergate. the weird resurgence of anti-feminism, which was non-existant a few years ago (south park never made an episode about how feminists are such whores so i dont know why white guys are so angry about it)

you dont believe people left because the community is shit? i got news for you (your wrong)

this is kinda hard to believe. first, commie and simon. second, dubee bragged about having sex with girls who obviously had problems. ive been around long enough to know what cyber kun was called. and ive witnessed haschte be a meanie on more than one occasion. out of everyone, maybe deadpool and roor were the most chill (besides the ones who havent played in more than 6 years)
JPL made zoom rude

 

I'm confused. If you know what the condition is then surely you realise that if there were any in the community, no-one will own up to it due to the inherent traits that one would generally possess. It seems idiotic to state that you'll continue to use the word in a derogative manner and put the blame on other people. Why not just use the word correctly now?

In more general terms, why should we use any word that single out part of anyone's identity. The internet is meant to be anonymous, and although it may be heavily dominated by the white male, it doesn't mean we (as a community) should use language that bubbles the 'white male' identity from the rest. Again, who is to know if injokes are injokes if they're new if the injokes themselves can be misconstrued as unfriendly? If we're not more accepting and neutral in our language, then we should not expect newcomers to feel welcome. Simple as that. You cannot state that dealing with it on a personal level is enough if the public chat is left unmoderated.

Anyway, it seems that everyone mostly agrees that we should stop using language in a derogatory manner so let's see how it pans out.

 

In what way exactly?
I used swearwords as tools to bring attention to what is written in chat since forever, hell i even said as much when i was aplying to cw. It just seems over the years people forgot that.

 

REF REF REF REF REF FUCKING REF.
Why the fuck didn't you research Bio ML?
Bio MG, are you fucking kidding me?
This is how I use them. But when I am still typing, I am not ragin' at all.

 

Maybe you have a point. I think it's more about when people were being abusive traditionally they didn't get to pretend otherwise. And banning them would generally be the agreed consensus - even if no good admin was around to actually do that.

This whole "you're censoring me" part is the bigger issue. It's like the expectation is that anything can be said and got away with and a ban is just unfair, uncalled for, and those people can just use their influence in the community to get it revoked.

It's the acceptance now that it's normal, and that you're getting your panties in a twist if you're offended by it.

 

Just treat everyone like they are me and we should be set to go.

 

Shut up Paradox, You're banned!

 

Oh I remember that.
It's because you guys were attacking a ref instead of a rax, which is literally right next to the ref.

Normally I don't care, but that's a scrim at 6AM for me. :D