Let me tell you something

Prepare to be harassed/talked about it.

 

Need a reputation system. Map votes, sprays, taunts and jeeps should be like DLC exclusively available to users on the nice persons whitelist.

But seriously the whole thing is just indemic and it does carry over from the forums. Pretty much nothing bothers me, I wouldn't say it is a thick skin I'm just pretty indifferent.

For the most part people don't actually mean what they say - People here happen to know each other well enough to give each other a bit of a ribbing in a friendly way but not well enough to actually have a big boy conversation so all that is left is the banter which does tend to get out of hand.

This article is pretty much how I feel about all the retarded shit people talk: http://bigthink.com/videos/dont-feed-the-trolls

 

I am not for censorship at all, and I get the racial shit is very taboo.
That makes sense, but what going to be a problem is that nobody is clean here.

My problem is that we have entirely desensitized the word "rape" to the point where a 40 to 50 something man says it so casually now.
It doesn't sit right with me and a word only has power if you give it power, but I rather people say the N word than rape.

All of us have something on our hands, the people who don't are the ones who rarely play and power to them, but these people rarely play.
This is why I don't want a admin position because I am a very forgetful person, and do stupid shit all the time not to mention my maturity is situational.

What should be happening is that Viper and Epic should do a clean slate of admins.

The people I trust with such positions are.

Candles
AZK
Complete
And Zoom when he isent having a autistic fit.

 

Finally someone thinks of the children.

 

I'm really saddened by this flasche. Not the sentiment, I agree with the sentiment, but I think you misplace it entirely.

I have no problem with improving the quality of empires, the game, the communication, teamwork, helpfulness and friendliness.

I will say that Ikalx puts a very high ethical and moral standard on people playing a game, so i find it hard to take his position seriously sometimes, because to him anything that could be called "crass" would probably ruin his day. My hope is that doesn't mean anything that would be called "crass" would be removed. Flasche, I don't believe I've done anything to be insulting (insensitive in a certain respect, yes, but let me explain why), and I find it hard to believe anyone could really take my thread (about scripters, really?) in any way as racist or sexist or promoting genocide, as none of that was even mentioned in my thread at all. I made a politically incorrect (very much so) joke and ran with it.

It could only offend people who, familiar with empires and enjoying it (along with all the aesthetics: the very panzer-ish tanks, the cross flag, the very stylish Stahlhelm ), who likely have encountered the much more historically accurate DOD Source, are going to come into our forums, see a thread that is only politically incorrect on the surface with completely non-threatening references to scripts and Spartacus and what have you, and be offended.

I think I said Fuhrer a few times. And only in the context of how dare you speak of the Fuhrer that way or something, with the result of irking Spartacus more than anything. So I don't find it a perfect example, it's not even an example at all. Only if void of any context whatsoever of the Source community, or the predominance of german WWII references in FPS games for the past *ever*, or the predominance of those traits and aesthetics in THIS game, or the predominance of those games in the source community, OR EVEN the absolute ridiculousness of my post. Heck, it should have been funny and I'm sorry it wasn't to you, because if you read the complaints about Spartacus people all but called him Hitler anyways (I wouldn't be surprised if Spartacus tells me someone did).

If you guys want to take all context out of statements, you are doing it wrong and you will kill the community, and I'll make sure to talk to Vicki about this again, I've talked with her about this at length before and we readily agreed and I will be happy to do it again.

As far as where the sentiment should be placed, I am all for the removal of sexism, the ceasing of any harassment of female games especially. I agree with the complete removal and harsh punishment of racism or hurtful words against sexual orientation or even personal insults unwarranted (beyond performance as a gamer). but I caution everyone thoroughly before they turn empires into a SFW environment, that many are not here to be in a particularly SFW environment. Empires is a non-professional environment, I would not play if it wasn't, I could not be myself and experience others being themselves. I would love more talk about teamwork and game play and execution, but I would not remove anyone not being insulting either. I'll give you a perfect example: a place where someone would get banned for having a spray that is what Spartacus posted of the Cards against Humanity pair (Having the worst day ever / Auschwitz) would be a shitty place to play. It's not tasteful, it's crass, but it isn't untrue nor should it be particularly offensive to anyone and I'd hate to see you guys go overboard. It's an illistration of *exactly* where the line in the sand should be drawn, where that should be allowed but anything worse would be too much.

TL;DR version: No sir. My thread is instead a perfect example of a non-racist, non-sexist, non-exclusionary, non-threatening, non-insulting politically incorrect post. If you support the purity of the The National Socialist German Workers' Party I suppose it is offensive, but I don't think anyone here cares to cater to those sensibilities anyways and nor do you. Bans on behavior that is personally insulting or discriminatory is great. Bans on behavior that is simply non-professional will kill this game.

EDIT: If I'm misunderstanding or misrepresenting you some way flasche, I'd like to know what the disconnect is. I find it difficult to understand what you are upset about. Honestly, you are ok with all the subtle things referencing WWII, yet a more specific reference to what all these things hint at, and you took offense. I even told you I had no problem taking it down if the community agreed with you, but I find it very hard to draw the line on my thread and say everything included in the models of empires is fine and dandy. I'd really like to understand what you are offended by and more specifically *why* so feel free to PM me anytime.

 

If you want to get admins you start with 1-3. You go a week banning people left and right. Then after that week you check in the server who are the people to be trustd and you give them admin. Easy. Don't give out admin to random clanners. Give them out to people like scrat, raider, wired 4 fun

 

Wired would be a hilariously wonderful admin.

 

Yea that would be great :D

 

Ok, I misunderstand. I'm trying really, really hard to understand. I, as you clearly know, was not intending to insult or make anyone feel unwelcome, so I'm trying to *find* my mistake, and I just can't really.

What's necessary for the game is that jokes in the community can perpetuate without offending parties for really illogical reasons. I was in *no way* unwelcoming in my post, unless the following occurs: someone goes to it, reads [SS], takes one look at the picture and some bs about the 4th Reich, and get's offended without reading the full post, or the full title, or noting any of the ridiculous things about scripts, being "ImSpartacus", and complaining about scripts which they also *would know nothing about and find it ridiculous*. Your proposal that someone will feel unwelcome is a non-sequitur to me, I really would like to understand how you figure and I don't. The only way I can figure, really, is a German with a highly misplaced sense of guilt about WWII 3 generations later (it's not your fault), who feels completely uncomfortable around the subject.

-In a game with Stahlhelms and Panzers.
-In a form with smileys like :confused:
-with a backstory and aesthetic where the team that looks most like the germans also happens to have exceedingly oppressive styles to all their models, the much more clean cut, dark, scary tanks, etc. They must have learned to really ignore all these things to even get here. Sure, I wouldn't want to traumatize them further but... Why are they here then if it hurts them so much?

I'm really trying to follow Flasche, I really am.

 

only an infiltrator would type this much. i vote cpatton

 

I lost it.

 

Oh for fuck sake. Just because I'm not a fucking gobshite all the time does not mean my fucking tolerance is low for this kind of shit. I'm used to people calling each other cunts on a regular basis.

But this fucking racist shit and the sexist shit too (although it's male dominated so the bar is a lot higher - which is just the way gaming is) has to stop. I know people call each other "nigga" and I do differentiate between that kind of matey use and the fucking racist shit that's around.

It's always the same thing. You think just because someone refrains from something they have no fucking exposure. You couldn't be more wrong. It's because I know it well that I don't use it, because I think it's rude. But that hasn't really mattered to me on Empires - as evidence by the fucking long time I've been here. What matters to me is that fucking line and how blatantly it's being fucking crossed recently and this stupid turnaround shit that's been happening recently where people think it's okay.

It's not fucking okay.

 

Ikalix I understand because your family origins and history that you would have a higher say in this because of the constant racial tension the uk suffers from especially those they suspect is Muslim, and because of your clarification we know you have south American heritage and that can be perceived as middle eastern to the ignorant masses. So people here should understand that racism hits home more for you than anyone else here.

But when you make a big deal out of the pacified version of the N word, its harder for me to take seriously because the people who were objectified as such in manner use that word all the time without even proper context. Because of that culture adopting the word, they made the N word meaningless to us and is now a constant joke when people hear not because of the word because it reminds us how ignorant the people are who thought dehumanizing a color would work.

You may consider it stupid but seeing as my society created that culture, I have a better understanding about it and I can tell you banning racism is going to incite more racism.
This is how freedom of speech works, you need to stop making it a trigger if you want people to stop talking about it.
The definition of color has so many different meanings in the world, but the action of sexual violence is universal and it implies something much scarier and darker.

If we are going to clean out potty mouths we need to hit the root of the problem, and that will solve the racial issue you have.
Because if you notice the people use racism so much are the ones who drop rape threats at a drop of a hat and casualise the word rape.

 

1: Have at least 5 days connection time according to VIPER stats.
2: Have less than 3 ban records in past years.
3: Don't have to be good guy 24/7, but at least sometimes.
4: Would actually use his admin power. <-- I swear to god this would kick off like half nice players.

We need players that fit the above conditions, I mean all of them.

Of course we don't want assholes.
But we also don't need someone if he is pretty inactive and/or is too shy to swing his ban hammer, even if he's a really nice guy. For example : Nihia.

 

I don't think ive ever been banned even though I admitted to saying racist shit and fucking up the com vehicle but that was when I literately started playing and had the bsid mentality.
But I never got banned for it even when I was asked personally by that Anthony guy and told him straight up I broke the rules.