Theres your inspiration, now make a model from that, it won't be "advanced" looking. Its small enough to be a literal BE light/afv. (obviously sans any mounted mgs/antennae on the turret and those rocket pod things...).
probably i could use it because mootant already put me on the BE medium to do stuff with (basically just making a highpoly, but im thinking of some other things too)
This one deserves some better documentation for future folks that pop on by. The model assets can be found here: http://raegquit.com/dizzyone/dump/scorpio/ And for the record, the applicable conversation in all of its boringness: Code: 5:18 PM - ImSpartacus: Hey, do you have the assets to this afv? 5:18 PM - ImSpartacus: http://forums.empiresmod.com/showthread.php?t=8707 5:19 PM - ImSpartacus: And would you mind providing them if you do? We may be able to get them into the game if you're willing. 5:24 PM - rico suave: 2009 5:24 PM - ImSpartacus: Yeah 5:24 PM - rico suave: I would've expected your skills to have improved exponentially 5:24 PM - ImSpartacus: A model is a model. 5:24 PM - ImSpartacus: Trickster suggested it. 5:24 PM - ImSpartacus: Do you still have it? 5:25 PM - rico suave: trickster actually asked me for this model in 2009 5:25 PM - ImSpartacus: What did you say to him then? 5:25 PM - rico suave: I gave it to him, but I told him, like I'll have to tell you 5:26 PM - rico suave: that you're better off making something yourself 5:26 PM - ImSpartacus: Why's that? 5:27 PM - rico suave: because it's shit, and the amount of time it would take you to fix it far exceeds the amount of time it would take you to make one yourself 5:27 PM - rico suave: getting the model isn't going to save you anytime 5:28 PM - rico suave: it's gonna get you some eclectic piece of shit I made while I had low skill 5:28 PM - rico suave: and you're not going to fix it, you would rather shave your balls with sandpaper 5:28 PM - ImSpartacus: lol 5:28 PM - rico suave: so whatever trickster has said, he has dementia 5:28 PM - ImSpartacus: I appreciate the context. 5:29 PM - ImSpartacus: Do you think you could provide it for no other reason than to provide inspiration for further efforts? 5:29 PM - rico suave: sure 5:29 PM - rico suave: it's already online, since 2009, the last time trickster asked 5:29 PM - rico suave: http://raegquit.com/dizzyone/dump/scorpio/ 5:30 PM - rico suave: and since I don't have dementia like trickster 5:30 PM - ImSpartacus: Trust me, I've been asking all sorts of people for all sorts of assets lately and almost everyone of them has said that they have given their assets to trickster before. So I'm not surprised, lol. 5:30 PM - rico suave: I knew that URL from the top of my head 5:30 PM - ImSpartacus: I appreciate you humoring me. 5:30 PM - rico suave: but again, it's shit, and you won't ever want to prepare it for ingame 5:31 PM - rico suave: and, I would've expected you to have gained significant improvement in your own skill to have known better than to ask me for this piece of shit 5:32 PM - ImSpartacus: Haha, well I do appreciate your help never the less. 5:32 PM - rico suave: don't play me spartacus, you flamed me like hell after I tried to help you 5:32 PM - ImSpartacus: When was that? 5:32 PM - rico suave: 2009 5:32 PM - rico suave: but its alright, everyone did 5:33 PM - ImSpartacus: I joined the community in 2011. 5:33 PM - ImSpartacus: But it's alright. 5:33 PM - ImSpartacus: :3 5:33 PM - rico suave: oh alright, my bad 5:33 PM - rico suave: wasn 5:33 PM - rico suave: t 100% sure if it was you 5:33 PM - rico suave: I apologize 5:33 PM - rico suave: in that case 5:33 PM - ImSpartacus: Oh, you still have a lovely spot in my signature. 5:34 PM - rico suave: I thought you were someone else 5:34 PM - ImSpartacus: http://forums.empiresmod.com/member.php?find=lastposter&f=17 5:34 PM - ImSpartacus: But I don't hold grudges. 5:34 PM - ImSpartacus: :3 5:34 PM - rico suave: yeah I was as angsty as everyone else back then 5:34 PM - rico suave: in that case 5:34 PM - rico suave: I'll take back all the things I told you 5:34 PM - ImSpartacus: It's all good. 5:34 PM - rico suave: and tell you that it's not worth the effort, it was some work in progress 5:34 PM - rico suave: just make a similar tank 5:34 PM - rico suave: from your own mind 5:35 PM - ImSpartacus: I still think it's helpful to have something more or less finished in 3D already in Empires' style. 5:35 PM - rico suave: it''s not finished ;) 5:35 PM - ImSpartacus: It's finished enough to provide necessary style. 5:36 PM - ImSpartacus: Did you make some of the old aircraft? 5:36 PM - ImSpartacus: What a shame, the one in-game is pretty. 5:36 PM - ImSpartacus: If lacking a texture. 5:37 PM - rico suave: which one is ingame? 5:37 PM - ImSpartacus: Oh well. I'll leave you be. Thanks for directing me to the assets! 5:37 PM - ImSpartacus: If you enable aircraft, there's an afv used as a test BE aircraft and a textureless NF aircraft. 5:37 PM - rico suave: the aircraft ingame are all megel, but I don't think they ever got ingame 5:37 PM - rico suave: as in, finished 5:37 PM - ImSpartacus: Ok. 5:37 PM - ImSpartacus: That's a damn shame. 5:38 PM - rico suave: megel most likely made the one you see ingame 5:38 PM - rico suave: but he's crazy, I doubt you'll get much out of him 5:39 PM - ImSpartacus: We can't really use aircraft, unfortunately. 5:39 PM - ImSpartacus: :/ 5:39 PM - rico suave: why so 5:40 PM - ImSpartacus: Source doesn't seem to like them in the configuration that we use. 5:40 PM - ImSpartacus: I mean, there's a reason that the game didn't have aircraft in 2009, you know? 5:40 PM - rico suave: I don't really know what the reason was 5:40 PM - rico suave: Krenzo tried to make a flight simulator 5:41 PM - rico suave: but some vtol like aircraft could've made it in 5:41 PM - ImSpartacus: Whatever it was, you can't stear the aircraft in game. 5:41 PM - ImSpartacus: erm, steer 5:41 PM - rico suave: really? 5:41 PM - ImSpartacus: Yeah, they fly. 5:41 PM - rico suave: I remember the flight simulator working fairly well 5:41 PM - ImSpartacus: Huh. 5:41 PM - rico suave: the problem was the map scaling 5:41 PM - ImSpartacus: Ohhh, I see. 5:41 PM - ImSpartacus: Yeah. 5:41 PM - rico suave: and it was abandoned because of the map scaling issues 5:42 PM - ImSpartacus: Such a weird reason for them not to work, you know? 5:42 PM - rico suave: but the whole flight simulator idea was too ambitious to begin with 5:42 PM - ImSpartacus: Mhmm 5:42 PM - ImSpartacus: Definitely a bit complicated for a commander game. 5:42 PM - ImSpartacus: I mean, the commander can't really see aircraft because he can't "zoom out" enough 5:42 PM - rico suave: like quite literally, the aircraft Krenzo programmed were based off of flight simulator gameplay 5:42 PM - ImSpartacus: Hmmm 5:43 PM - rico suave: there's no reason why semi vtol hovercraft wouldn't work 5:43 PM - rico suave: which is what it should've been to begin with 5:43 PM - rico suave: there were some succesful dogfights 5:44 PM - ImSpartacus: BNut not at the right scaling, right? 5:44 PM - rico suave: which mostly involved actually managing to find the enemy aircraft 5:44 PM - rico suave: and being able to chase it 5:44 PM - rico suave: nope, it was at the small scaling, I don't remember how small exactly 5:44 PM - rico suave: but small enough to not be able to actually chase or really see the other aircraft 5:45 PM - rico suave: I think the code for the scaling is still in there 5:45 PM - ImSpartacus: We ported to SDK 2013, so shit is a bit weird. 5:45 PM - rico suave: right I can imagine 5:45 PM - ImSpartacus: All in all, it was a great port. 5:46 PM - ImSpartacus: There are a few rough edges, but all in all, it's a great port. 5:46 PM - rico suave: you know what I think you should do 5:46 PM - rico suave: you should first of all get your footing in getting a tank model ingame 5:46 PM - rico suave: the model part isn't hard, just a rig that confirms to the system 5:46 PM - rico suave: which is hardcoded 5:47 PM - rico suave: as far as "wheels" etc are concerned 5:47 PM - rico suave: you can probably just take an existing rig to save time 5:47 PM - ImSpartacus: Mhmm. 5:47 PM - rico suave: then the tricky part is getting the scripts to work well with the model you compiled for ingame 5:47 PM - ImSpartacus: Wheel placement and what not? 5:48 PM - ImSpartacus: Vehicle handling? 5:48 PM - rico suave: no just the names are hardcoded 5:48 PM - rico suave: yeah, it's very finnicky 5:48 PM - ImSpartacus: It's funny. 5:48 PM - ImSpartacus: I'm rather good at that part. 5:48 PM - ImSpartacus: Lol. 5:48 PM - rico suave: with center of mass and size and wheel placement etc. 5:48 PM - rico suave: if you got that 5:48 PM - rico suave: don't worry too much about tank design 5:48 PM - ImSpartacus: You know how the NF CV can have a "turret" under it to disable it? 5:48 PM - rico suave: take any cool tank blueprint you can find 5:48 PM - rico suave: t34, sherman 5:48 PM - rico suave: who cares 5:48 PM - rico suave: and just do your best low poly impression of it 5:48 PM - rico suave: and throw it in the game 5:49 PM - rico suave: anything is better than the afv 5:49 PM - rico suave: like, anything. 5:49 PM - ImSpartacus: Haha 5:49 PM - ImSpartacus: I can't help but agree. 5:49 PM - rico suave: yeah I do know that 5:49 PM - rico suave: don't bother with my model 5:49 PM - rico suave: maybe you can take a look at it and feel somehow inspired 5:49 PM - rico suave: but it's not something you want to spend time on 5:50 PM - ImSpartacus: I like the shape and the profile. I like where the turret is located. I like the shape of the turret. 5:50 PM - ImSpartacus: It reminds me of a merkava 5:50 PM - ImSpartacus: Like the early ones 5:50 PM - rico suave: I don't have the version you see in that picture anymore 5:50 PM - rico suave: I changed it all 5:50 PM - ImSpartacus: There are two versions in those pictures. 5:50 PM - rico suave: the model is a mess 5:50 PM - ImSpartacus: There's a "futuristic" one and one that looks like a scorpian. 5:51 PM - ImSpartacus: Both are nice in their own way, but the "scorpian" probably fits Empires' style more. 5:51 PM - ImSpartacus: And it looks different from other tanks at a distance, which is important. 5:51 PM - ImSpartacus: Anyway, I'll leave you to your game. I appreciate your time. 5:51 PM - ImSpartacus: Oh 5:51 PM - ImSpartacus: You might be interested in this 5:51 PM - ImSpartacus: One moment 5:53 PM - ImSpartacus: I still don't get why the vehicle chassis rigging is such a big deal. I mean it's not like the chassis every gets animated except for the wheels. 5:53 PM - ImSpartacus: http://forums.empiresmod.com/showthread.php?t=18708 5:53 PM - ImSpartacus: There's a lovely lad doing a new NF med 5:53 PM - ImSpartacus: I need to track him down and help him polish it up. It's nearly in-game, but he's having issues with wheel placement and what not. 5:53 PM - ImSpartacus: http://forums.empiresmod.com/showthread.php?p=500141#post500141 5:53 PM - ImSpartacus: Anyway, cheers! Thanks again. 5:54 PM - rico suave: that's pretty bad ass 5:54 PM - ImSpartacus: I think it's much better than the current med. 5:55 PM - ImSpartacus: ANd he's nearly finished. 5:55 PM - rico suave: yeah it has a NF feel to it that the old model doesn't have 5:56 PM - rico suave: but really, I'm gonna take a guess and say it's either his collision model isn't centered right, or it's the wheel on the rig 5:56 PM - rico suave: but it's hard to tell, it's very finnicky 5:57 PM - ImSpartacus: I can fix the wheels. That takes like a half hour tops 5:57 PM - ImSpartacus: You just get comfy with crowbar and HLMV and get the attachments right where you need em 5:58 PM - ImSpartacus: I definitely know that you can make a model float by adjusting its wheels, so I'm HOPING it's that. I think I may have mislead the poor fella into thinking that I could model.
Megel isn't crazy, he's passionate. I follow his Twitter for ISIS and Obama updates. He's very friendly when you talk to him. @OP: It's a pretty sick model already.
