Turrets only shoot if they can see the center of you if I remember what candles said correctly. So it makes sense turrets can't hit you most of the time, they can't see your chest, like the center of it.
Did you read the rest of my post? You're like the third person in this thread to have seemingly missed the part where I said that the problem is the first five or so minutes of the round.
Jeeps still have lots of mobility and their design still blocks most of the bullets. What that doesnt stop, the terrible handling of /fast moving stuff vs hitscan/ in empires will. Possibility of new models around zero. Turrets wouldnt change much at all. In situations when you have someone boxed in, maybe you could stop jeeps going out. Really, the only way that would come in handy is protecting the refineries, but you hardly ever see lvl3s researched to begin with
You are not making a vehicle free as long as this is the case. Regardless of how I think Jeeps will be used - a lot like people have pointed out, to completely change the start of a round. Regardless of the fact that it's two-faced to paralyse the CV for 60 seconds because of its ability to push people and get places fast, and yet have free jeeps. Regardless of everything else, as long as jeeps can run people over and kill them, you cannot make them free. Because that means infantry are just straight inferior to vehicles. And that's ridiculous. Mate, I say this without scorn, but if you think that then you haven't played Empires. Not "newfag" this or "you don't know anything" that. Just simply that you haven't played a true game of Empires if that's what you think. At least in my opinion anyway.
Yes. Vehicles are inferior to infantry. It is true in real life, it is true in empires and it is true in most games. A vehicle has an easier time killing infantry. explain me why tanks are not the best part of empires.... I explain you why tanks are the best part of empires. I like driving around in a tank and being the best driver there is. I can't tell you how many times I dodge through spots that would stuck most people and have them lose their tanks. I've ran past defenses killed res nodes and radars, and then ran past defenses to my team's repair pad. Sure I will target an infantry or another tank if they get in my way, but my main objective is hurting the enemy's money and putting them on the defensive. Maybe I get lucky and run over a grenadier looking the wrong way, because he is trying to mortar 2 revive engineers behind a corner. Tanks are the most fun, because it doesn't directly involve sending a player back to respawn. Tanks involve strategy that just isn't possible with infantry, For example 6 tanks can run past defenses and END the enemy CV. I said RUN PAST. Sure infantry can sneak past defense and target the CV, but only tanks can PLOW THROUGH defenses and still carry out the objective. APC driving is just another level of fun. APC are fun not only for my team but for enemy who try really hard to kill my apc but not quite able to . Sometimes others think that mountains slopes are things to be avoided with an APC. Nope. Mountains slopes are the most epic things for avoiding most other tanks and rockets. Run full speed at the slope of a mountain and fit just past that barracks that is placed to block enemy raids. I imagine many infantry are ..... .... how did he do that... when they see it for first time. Heavy tanks.. different level of play. Go to front lines, snipe enemy buildings. return for repairs and ammo. repeat. Jeeps... I don't use jeeps because they cost too much in beginning, and endgame there are too many static defenses to do anything. Better to wait for APC that way if i survive my team is helped to spawn in new spots. Sure its possible to jeep over people in mvalley or duststorm, it used to be possible to put a jeep into the halls of escort but that was blocked. Jeeps used to have armor and engine upgrades, which produced epic wins. 3 phase jeeps can do some epic tricks on mountain slopes, like running over scouts on the very tops of mountains in center of mvalley. I think if most new players played the game, tanks would be be the first thing they would want to do. Every other game has infantry and rts variations that are limitless, but tanks....Empiresmod rules the tanks.
It has been confirmed. Nick best empires driver. Anyway I disagree on vehicle being the most fun in empires. Infantry gameplay best play. 3 engineers 2 grens in squad. Squadrev in enemy base rek their shit and fight of hords and hords of enemies whilst squad healing squad revving passing through squad lead etc etc. Exciting stuff. Way more fast paced than anythng else evur
Tanks aren't the best part of Empires because I don't have as much fun with them as I do with other parts of the game. Your move. No it doesn't. It's a lot harder to kill infantry with a jeep than a jeep with an infantry, at least in my experience as a gren. They're small, easy to dodge and harder to control than a gren. Especially if you use the mortar; it's easier to hit a jeep with the mortar due to the splash and the faster travel time.
You may have a point. May. Because I want to say that people always say that gren is hard to play and the mortar is the hardest weapon to use. So I feel like saying that while it might be hard to kill infantry with a jeep, it's probably about as hard as a newbie Grenadier to kill a jeep. And if you have to be a specific class to combat something, using a weapon which many people can't really get the hang of, well...it kind of punches holes in your argument. That and you can slam into a rax and kill two people, or drive around it and kill half a dozen easily. You can circumvent engy walls and drive down the other side knocking infantry left and right. Much more easily and quickly than a vet gren can. Added to that is jeeps pull people off the front lines, and when we've had times with lots of jeeps on the ground it hasn't added to gameplay, but rather reduced it. We also ended up erecting a hell of a lot more walls and turrets just to combat that problem. So... you have a point in a narrow context, but take half a wider view and it's still largely outweighed. Take the whole picture and it starts to look pretty mad indeed. All right, let me tell you where I differ. To me it's not about tank combat or infantry combat. Those are facets that make up part of the game. What makes Empires in particular a game that people fall in love with is the feeling you get when you have two teams going toe to toe fighting for control, fighting over the battlefield, fighting for their lives. I can say that the most amazing parts of this game don't come because you're using a tank or shooting someone as infantry, it comes from the fact that you have a score of teammates behind you fighting with you against an enemy. It comes from the little breakthroughs and counters and flanks and risky plays, the daring escapes and crushing losses, only to rage in massive comebacks where you hammer the enemy through sheer force of will. It comes from the point where you're suddenly playing on a complete other level than you would normally. Where everything you do is gold and it's only when the enemy is being just as superpowered as you that you fall. Where you race from kill to kill, take objective and objective, flank for a devastating rush, fight tooth and nail for every scrap of space and, when it's finally done, sit back and just think... ...fuck, that was amazing. So no, it's not about the vehicles for me.
I lost it. That's a reoccurring sentiment, especially from oldfags. If that's correct, then I think we need to redo the advertising on the steam page to accurately reflect the best parts of Empires. Right now it's all pictures of vehicles and like one picture of an infantry squad walking around. It feels like a better representation of the fun parts of the game might be more effective at attracting people that would enjoy exactly those parts of the gameplay.
Or Spoiler different people like different things for different reasons. I think you had completely the wrong mindset when you said infantry combat didn't matter, because it's literally half the game and to some people it's 90% (like me, I never drive if I can help it) but the opposite is true too, some people like to play tank 90% of the game and avoid tanks the whole game and that's fine too, and others yet enjoy both together. That said I don't think we have riveting infantry combat that grabs you and pulls you in immediately, infantry combat only becomes exciting and interesting once you fully learn the mechanics and realise that while it's a bit weird, it's also entirely unique, no other FPS has walls, for one, and the trench warfare dynamic is utterly unique as far as I've seen, and I play a lot of FPS. Tanks on the other hand get you excited straight away 'I CAN HAVE A TANK THAT SHOOTS NUKES? FUCK YEAH'
