★UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2016★

Theres litterally no arguign with blizzerd, he says something, you give him facts he ignores it. Then when you say something he just retorts with semantics to make you seem wrong.

 

i just could not refute that John cena video so i shitposted instead.

serious now only nazis say mexicans and jews are a race because it suits their agenda. Calling someone a racist cus they dont want illegal immigrants just waters down the meaning of racist... The fact you guys think im unreasonable is because you already made up your minds about reality and are not open for suggestion or debate.

 

https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/vb.15704546335/10154628193976336/?type=2&theater

live trump rally if anyone is interested

 

Wow seriously? Not open for suggestions or debate? Ive been trying to debate here and the only one who actually debates civily is Trump. You are such a fcking hypocrit

 

This is a good trait. Also, Hillary doesn't care because she flip flops so often. She literally says one thing then does the other. 2 Years ago she said the TPP was the gold standard, as soon as Bernie and Trump pulled ahead saying it was bad, she said it was horrid.

Because Trump is saying he will take away some of their welfare and wants to get them decent paying jobs. I didn't intend to talk out of my ass, I mixed up a poll. Execute me for that. The Democrats wanted to keep slavery, they were confederates in the civil war, and to this day they have maintained it by promising welfare to get the Black Vote. Look at all of our cities, the inner cities are wretched and that is where Blacks usually live... and most are run by Democrats.

Every year Republicans are branded as racists. I don't see how I am racist because I don't care about skin color, but rather your work ethic. However, we are branded as racists for that thought and the Media EVERY YEAR calls the Republican Candidate a racist. When the democrats run out of things to say as well, they also call Republicans racist. IE Obama saying "fellow blacks need to vote for Hillary to keep my legacy" or "Women need to support hillary to get a woman in the white house". We fight this every year for the last 50 years plus... its been drilled into everyones head.

Edit: An example of this is like when I posted on Reddit how I consider myself to be anti-PC and they said "It's offensive to walk around in black face, how can you not understand that?" which wasn't even what I was saying. They just said I was a racist instead of listening to what I had to say, which was mainly against SJW's

Cool, those jobs could belong to Americans who need it, not Illegals who wire the money out of this country and dont pay taxes for our infrastructure, medicine or anything really.

Again not racist. You are the racist here. It is a proven fact that the ILLEGAL immigrants come over here and are WAY more prone to committing crimes. Even coming over is a crime... They rape, they steal, and they murder. We could save a lot of American's a hassel by just getting rid of them. Also, Illegals in general, not just Mexicans.

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- Same thing I said before, about the illegal immigrants and workrate.
3.5 percent of your population is illegal , whilst its 5 percent of your working population. Do the math.

Okay? I still don't see the point here.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/17/attorney-trump-companies-employ-more-female-execs-than-male-video/

He also was the first to put a woman in charge of construction of a skyscraper.

Yea he used them, and he wants to close them. He knows how the system works and he wants to fix it for America.

This lies in the fact that Trump doesn't take money from big corporations, unlike Hillary. He has a lot more trust in this aspect than Hillary ever could.

20 billion is the upper cost estimate by outside sources. 20 Billion is 20 of our new stealth bombers... We can easily get the money.

He talked about stronger borders. The president agreed about stronger borders to help stop the cartels.



I'd also like to say Trump DOES have a maternity plan better than Hillaries. It was championed by his JEWISH DAUGHTER (Sorry, some people also say he is an Anti-semite but considering part of his family is Jewish I thought I'd just throw that out there). Speaking of that, remember when the Democrats latched on to SUCH A VAGUE flyer that had a star that was 6 pointed and called Trump someone who hates Jews? Or the whole him being his own publicist was a huge scandal? Or how he ATE KFC WITH A FORK (Covered by CNN during primetime)?

Lets look at what happened today. The Bushes, the most hated "dynasty" by the left, the ones credited with starting the Iraq war, the ones credited with the recession (Though I'd argue that was Clinton), the ones who basically, according to them, threw our country to hell has JUST endorsed CLINTON. What do the Democrats do after DEMONIZING them for the past 15 years? THEY APPLAUD THIS. This shows how CORRUPT, how out of touch they are with the people of this country. Democrats are APPLAUDING an endorsement from their most HATED rival and people aren't going to second guess Hillary for being the globalist shill she is? I know a couple democrats who saw that she got his endorsement and began questioning her for accepting the endorsement of someone who is so hated by Democrats universally.

 

Your entire argument in this thread can be boiled down to

'why cant you guys see what i see, why???? are you some kind of racist????'

Thats not a strategy to lay out your opinions and convince, thats bully shushing.

i have (like any internet shitposter would) picked apart some select foundations of things you said and your response is something like 'you are a bad person' and 'john cena joke video here'

yea... you haven't even asked if i support trump... well, i dont. i think he is a loose cannon that will probably wreck the world economy and his anti immigrant policies are not just insane they are dumb, illegal immigrants are keeping the US economy running atm.

thanks for asking, and no out of the couple dozen posts you made in this thread only 4 or 5 paragraphs are actually calling for a debate, the rest is just you flipping your shit over what other people 'dare' say.

Go back and read all your posts again, try to pretend you are the people you are addressing and do some personal growth.

 

Adressing Trump

- I dont thini its a good trait but rather stubborn, thoughhillary her flipflopping isnt bad imo, it means she can see when times are changing. I admire Bernie for always having the right idea and sticking to it, but I also think its good to have a bad idea and then be able to change it. Butthis is just ourr subjective oppinion on wether its a positive or negative trait for both.

- this is a entire other topic, the democrats now and then, same for the republicansnow and then are a completely different party.

- thats a different discussion you could have about opportunity.

- dontthink its that easy, your 11 million illegals do jobs most people frown upon. Doubt they would want those jobs. Also your economy would collapse if you kick out thosepeople.

- I agree immigrants are more prone to crime, but in a lot of studies it has been shown that its not because of immigration that they have a higher rateof crime but due to inequity in wealth. If you look thesame wealth class crimerates are the same, atleast in europe. But those kinda go hand in hand. Also same thing with vicky, it would be interesting to see how manyimmigrants perform those crimes. Its not going to be a 1:1 ratio at all

- my point was thathes a cunt for doing that

- thats good

- i agree hillary ismore prone to corruption

- i said before thewall is feasible, but its such a waste of money, i always thought he said that as a wayto convey a message. The cost of the wall is 20 billion and estimated upkeep costs were 2 billion a year. Spend it on infrastructure and healthcare?

- Thats implying stuff again, talking about strong borders and fighting the drug cartels does not mean the mexicans are going to pay for thewall like hesays. If you asked me If i wanted a better empires and I say yes, doesnt mean ima pay devs to work.

- trump his materinity leave plan is atm not better tha hillary if u look the post up i made. Tldr; trump gives 3 weeks paid and hillary 8 weeks


I dontthink theycare anymore,if its going to be a close race i wouldnt sa no.
If people were going to thowme outta my houseif i dont get x amount of euros by end of the month and my eenemy comes to give me free moneys id say yes thank you and not care


Tons of typos, typed this on my tablet

 

Ive always loved john oliver

 

Vicki watch the video starting fro 4;30 it explains that thhe US has a very thorough vetting system noone actually knows about, even your countries politicians dont know u have em.

 

This is actually a good video, also france is mvp ( 9;30) even with all the attacks and open borders they still wanna take in more refugees because its worth thr risk helping other people. Thats the right attitude.

 

@trump I just read your article about how he has more females in higher positions but there arent any facts again, its just trumps attorney ( according to the Republican presidential candidate’s attorney. ) saying it is and giving u numbers but no facts or anything to prove it. And all this happend AFTER trump is getting scrutinized for being sexist. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for his highering practices but I dont think its conclusive without other people that dont work for trump to confirm the story.

 

None of those steps are followed with illegal immigrants though...

thats the problem... trump is talking mainly about illegal immigrants... and he has some serious points concerning national security.

More illegal immigrants need to flow through legal methods so the known filters apply, that is possibly the only point i agree with trump on.

 

were talking about refugees and not about illegal immigrants.
I was referring to this post by vicky

all the top experts admitted they cannot vet these people correctly due to lack of documentation from that area of the world,

This isnt personal towards you vicki but its just a good way to show everyone that hearsay gets too many credit whilst actual facts dont. The top experts dont have a clue what they are talking about seemingly. And with top experts I mean those loud noisy people on the television, AKA politicians

 

I wonder if in real life you use shitty arguments too instead of sources when you debate with people.

 

are you referring to arguments like this?

Or deeply grounded sources with scientific backing like this?



My sources are this thread tbh...

 

how ironic
Mexico now deports more Central American migrants than the United States, a dramatic shift since the U.S. asked Mexico for help a year ago with a spike in illegal migration, especially among unaccompanied minors.

Mexico tortures migrants – and citizens – in effort to slow Central American surge

The FBI said it as well as other top govt officals
heres the link:

"The director of the FBI said that we cannot properly vet people coming from the Middle East."

FBI Says There IS No Way To Vet Incoming Syrian Refugees
https://www.numbersusa.com/news/fbi-says-there-no-way-vet-incoming-syrian-refugees

FBI has already said they do not have a way to properly vet the refugees, which could cause a threat to national security.

"We don't have it under control," Mr. Michael Steinback, Assistant Director for the FBI told the House Homeland Security committee in February. "Absolutely, we're doing the best we can. If I were to say that we had it under control, then I would say I know of every single individual traveling. I don't. And I don't know every person there and I don't know everyone coming back. So it's not even close to being under control."

The chairman of the Homeland Security committee, Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX), asked officials from DHS, FBI and the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), "if bringing in Syrian refugees pose a greater risk to Americans?" Steinback responded, "Yes, I'm concerned. We'll have to go take a look at those lists and go through all of those intelligence holdings and be very careful to try and identify connections to foreign terrorist groups."

 

fyi to prove how incompetent the system is,
instead of deporting 1800 immigrants that were marked as a threat to national security the morons made an error and granted them citizenship because their fingerprints were missing.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...mmigrants-mistakenly-granted-citizenship.html

 

I would normally agree, this is a good trait. It shows growth in the persons character. HOWEVER WITH THAT BEING SAID Hillary is flat out lying. She has NO intention of going through with what she says because she is paid for by her donors. She ONLY started saying the TPP was bad when Trump and Sanders did good by saying it did bad. Not only that, but her top donors are all major benefactors of the TPP deal... why would they donate to a candidate that wants to not pass their bill they are lobbying for?

Not really, Democrats keep giving handouts and welfare with the promise of more and more to keep securing the Black vote. Then they shove it down their throats that they are helping them while the Republicans want them to get jobs and are racist for doing that. It's been like this for a long, long time.

Opportunity is usually crushed under Democrats. There is a reason we have the highest unemployment right now, and before you say "But you have lowest in a long time!" No, we dont. If you are unemployed for (4 or 6 years?) You get taken off the "Unemployed" list and are no longer represented.

Actually a lot of people DO want those jobs. Why? Because jobs are hard to come by now, relatively speaking. And it wouldn't collapse. Why? Because a lot of people want jobs. A LOT of people want jobs, not just a few, not just some, a LOT.

The poorer do commit more crime in the US...Yes. They are more prone to it because they can not get jobs, they can not do anything without fear of deportation, which is good. If they want to come here, just come here legally. That way we can properly vet you. On top of all this, it is now being reported that ISIS is coming in with the Cartels....

Oh, alright. So a personal opinion. Great. At least he wasn't a member of an all white golf course.

The wall is contingent on fixing the trade deficit with Mexico, which would bring in I believe over 100 billion more a year. We would be MAKING money off of the Wall. On top of this, we gave money to Israel and Tunisia for border walls for THEIR countries, on top of paying for Mexico's southern border wall.. why can't we have one?

They will indirectly pay for it with tariffs and by Mexico's trade deficit with the US being fixed through new trade deals

What?


Also, Obamacare has been a total disaster for the US. Medical costs have gone up astronomically after Obamcare was passed because our government absolutely SUCKS at spending money. It didn't regulate the price of medicine, it didn't mandate costs of procedures... it literally is just Government money paying for healthcare, which already existed before hand. You could always get treatment in the US, no matter what. The Hospitals would try to collect debt on you but they'd sell your debt to a debt collector, and then if he pesters you after you tell him to stop it is actually a crime of harassment. You are not legally obligated to pay, this is a fact.

Examples of our government sucking at spending: Military, The Airplane (A funny story actually, they gave 2 million dollars back in early 1900's to the head of the smithsonian to create a lighter than air craft. He built one, attached it to a boat and tried to launch it off the boat. After 2 attempts of it failing, he said it was impossible and was done. The Wright brothers then came out with one a year later), any rail line... you name it.