★UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2016★

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  1. Donald Trump

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    Not factually true anymore. Supreme court precedent shows that in Texas v. White states can not secede under any circumstance. However, the states does hold the right to break up into three different states should it so choose.

    The constitution of Texas states that it is bound to the Constitution of the US, not to the presidency or anything else.
     
  2. Deiform

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    Man Texas leaving would cause all sorts of hassle. I thought Brexit would be bad, imagine those kinds of negotiations when you have to undo nearly 200 years of integration.
     
  3. Donald Trump

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    It'd probably be civil war to be honest. I can't think of any president who would willingly let the state go, if it could. It is too vital to the union and one of the few states that actually pay into the system.
     
  4. vipervicki

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    dt you are incorrect about Texas v. White
    https://www.texassecede.com/faq.php

    : Didn’t the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Texas v. White prove that secession is unconstitutional?
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    No. For space considerations, here are the relevant portions of the Supreme Court's decision in Texas v. White:
    The Texas v. White case is often trotted out to silence secessionist sentiment, but on close and contextual examination, it actually exposes the unconstitutional, despotic, and tyrannical agenda that presumes to award the federal government, under color of law, sovereignty over the people and the states.
     
  5. complete_

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    vicki used an opinion to "prove" something

    you know, the thing she says i do
     
  6. Z100000M

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    Land of the free everybody
     
  7. vipervicki

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    By allowing people who oppose something on the basis of religion to opt out of taxes, or worse... make people who are not conforming to that religion worse off by not supporting them on the basis of OTHERS religion you are effectively as a state picking a religious side.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
     
  9. vipervicki

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    I never said that they should opt out of paying taxes.. SHEEEESH I said it should not be funded with taxpayers money!!!!!

    I don't appreciate my words and meaning being twisted into something I never meant or said.
    do you know what Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion means???

    Simply put, it means Congress cannot establish a government-run religion
     
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  11. vipervicki

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    if that's true, then I agree its disgusting and glad it was denied.
     
  12. A-z-K

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    It also means I am going to be opting out though I support choice. Because I am cheap
     
  13. ScardyBob

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    So some clarity on abortion/first amendment/taxpayers
    1. Federals dollars are prohibited for use to pay for abortions due to the Hyde Amendment except in the case or rape, incest, or to save the life of the woman. So technically, while some taxpayer money is going to abortion, I find it hard to see how 'force a woman to carry a baby from their rapist or would threaten their life' is a morally religious choice.

    2. The first amendment applies specifically to religious institutions, not religious or spiritual beliefs of everyone. This generally means that churches/synagogues/mosques/etc aren't taxed and the official leaders (i.e. priests/rabbis/imams/etc) are exempt from a number of laws. However, that doesn't mean that simply being a member of a religion means you get a religious belief exemption from things the government does that you oppose. Otherwise, you'd have people claiming first amendment rights to not pay for things such as the military or death penalty executions (for those with religious beliefs against killing).
     
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    you cant opt out of paying taxes azk....unless you wanna go to jail if caught..then yeah
    and that section of the first ammendment has to do with not allowing the govt to make its own religion, nothing about citizens or opting out.
     
  15. blizzerd

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    Eh, yea, it does, and it has to do with far far more...

    Government doesnt have to start its own religion, it could for example decide that these fucking muuslims are invading our cuntrey and we need a wall and we need to shut that thing down for mudslimes until we know what the hell is going on.

    thats picking a side, and against the constitution...

    but also giving one religion tax exception while another does not, or for example letting one decide tax law through what they deem is comfortable to them... like you are suggesting.
     
  16. vipervicki

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    I never said that.
     
  17. Donald Trump

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    As far as I am aware, keeping a group of people out of the US is not unconstitutional so long as it is in the interest of keeping the country safe.
     
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    Whaaaat? Well looks like I better go speak to my accountant.
     
  19. ScardyBob

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    Well, you can by losing nearly a billion dollars....
     
  20. Donald Trump

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    Which is perfectly legal because of stupid loopholes in our tax code. Nothing illegal and I don't think you can really dock him points for trying to get out of paying taxes... I am sure you, as a US citizen Scardy, try to pay as little in taxes as possible by taking as many deductions as you can.
     
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