Okay so many people are sick and tired of hearing this but this is my opinion (Ignore fact ive never made a forum account and listen) The scout. We want shottys plox. Well listen, You are taking a war game and removing the sniper, Instead of destroying the gameplay many people enjoy INCLUDING me, why not simply make it more useful. Right now "most" snipers sit on hills and dont do anything. I on the other hand prefer to try and cover my engineers as they run out to repair vehicles, or maybe take out pesky infantry trying to take out my armour. Anyway my point is, Make it so that "Snipers" Have a place in empires. I don't want to see a perfectly normal weapon disappear because it makes you angry to die :/ An idea may be to take the hide ability away so we dont have people practically invisible on top of a mountain, Or give us a longer rate of fire/reload time. It's not unbalanced, every game has a sniper just about. And about the shotguns? Well put it in there in the scout weapon list and they can use a shotty! hehe. I hope this is really considered because losing the "Sniper rifle" is really going to bum me, and many other people out.
For the same reasons posted in a billion threads, the scout rifle is going, it is probably to be replaced by a shotgun, stop crying over it, you won't miss it. If it makes you wanna quit empires, feel free to leave. There are many people who enjoy sniping, so do I, but when it comes down to it, snipers don't help the team enough, and are a negative influence, sort of like a lower level of griefing, but in this case, it's fixable.
I will never understand why people use the scout rifle for something the assault rifles are the best choice. The enemy most be like one pixel in size that you are not able to kill it with the empires assault rifles.
You seem to have a very bad attitude most of the time, i've read many of your forum posts and I think theres a chance you are too full of yourself and need to consider how other players, who happen to be people by the way, actually wish to be talked to. I can guarantee you, You will seem much more mature to the majority of the world if you try to be somewhat nicer. :] Oh and by the way, you must have not read my post very well, I explained I believe the sniper needs to have more purpose, I just don't believe that it needs to be removed.
it just has to do with preference really, i play for fun and i love sniping in almost all games, whether its better or worse, in this case it may be worse, but i still enjoy it :] I hope that answers your question.
I can have whatever attitude I like, because I don't care if you think I'm immature, I'll just keep crushing you under my tank. The scout rifle has a purpose, an extremely long range high damage low rate of fire weapon. The extremely long range part is the problem, since you can't have a short range sniper rifle, we are at an impasse. The only solution is to cut it, since there's really nothing you can do to a sniper rifle to make it work in a close combat game. Railwhores in Q3 come to mind.
Empty, you're a troll with a mind view about as wide as pencil. Since when did you become the king of empires, deciding that it was a "close combat game". nobody gives a shit about the style of game you like. "keep crushing you under my tank" are you thirteen? are you thirteen empty? because "stop crying over it, you won't miss it. If it makes you wanna quit empires, feel free to leave." is the sort of thing that a thirteen year old troll says. I don't think anybody wants that sort of unconstructive opposition to debate on a forum. I'm not saying that in 2.1, snipers do help the team as much as others.
lets all take a break from posting in these scout threads for some time and reflect upon ourselves how we can come to a peaceful communicational compromise, since i do not honestly believe any arguments or hurtful language will change the modder's view on how they want the game and will only damage ourselves and others with no progression this is my honest opinion
You shoulda posted it here. There is already a huge and to be honest repetitive discussion going on. The biggest problem with the scout rifle is that the people arguing to keep it have the reason that "I like it and I usually get 10 kills and 0 deaths and I try to protect my team". The simple fact is that if you were a riflemen actually escorting your engies you would kill many more and keep the engy safe, instead of covering him and letting him possibly die before you get those 2 or 3 shots in
Well aside from everyone being tired of Emptys ranting, why cant the scout rifle be turned into something else, or just give us iron sights for our SMG's. In almost every game, theres a spec-ops weapon which, is designed mainly for short range but, is given a scope to compensate, and allow them to do recon. The point of this is, see what your going to attack, maybe pop a few rounds off for harrasment, and run up behind the person 2 minutes later, and unload into them. The scout is trying to be turned into complete CQC which makes no sense at all. Its called a SCOUT for a reason. I dont support the current way sniping works in this game. Personalyl i suck with the rifle in the first place, and I dont camp on a hill with hide. Im the person who spawns up, and acts like a Riflemen, and tries to fight. And i would do scouting but, most of the time, its all medium range in which, the sniper rifle doesent work at for me, and with the lack of SMG iron sights, i cannot reach the people with the SMG. So basicly, Scouts have this huge gap in fighting range. Which, is why people resort to camping up on a hill using hide, or saying F it and going Engineer so that, along with there SMG, they can build a damned turret and revive people. All i want is a god damned SMG with iron sights, either the ones we have now, or a new one developed for scouting specificly. Basicly, the only reason everyone thinks that scouts suck is, the range gap which in-turn makes people either not play as scout, or camp on a hill using hide. And in my opinion, hide should be taken out anyway. Now fix teh game if you want it to live. AoC is already starting to die becouse the devs got lazy and deicided to NOT fix the Knight anims and NOT balance the shit out. It was all Archers and knights, the winner of the battle would be determined by the size and shaping of the maps. Which, is not very good. Empires is still thriving in my opinion, I like the game, I just want things to be fixed. and i dont support empty here trolling his way, trying to kill another game. Imean, there are quite a few older source games that, died. And quite a few Half-Life mods that, Died. People like empty are the culrpits but, enough of blaming him. Fix things or feel the wrath of the players.
I'm sorry about that I suppose this thread may be taking up space. I just wish somehow they would realize taking a sniper out of a very large mapped war game is a baaaad idea, Sure theres smgs and a lot of close range fighting but you gotta realize regardless of whether or not you dont like getting shot by a sniper, I can guarentee you, I have shot people just before they kill a fellow grenadier or engineer. This is not a close range game, it's a game of preference, and you will take away the ability to ensure all players get to choose their preferred style of play, I mean come on, since when was a rocket launcher short range empty :D
I feel it shouldn't really be removed, but mebbe it doesn't need a scope. I'm not really sure about it all, but making the scout close combat only doesn't really gel with me. However, I don't even know what the devs are doing...haven't seen much feedback on what is actually going to happen in the tester forum, so I think devs are still discussing it. We certainly are.
To be honest I say we end this finally and make a pact that no one will make a new scout thread until we see the new scout. Up to this point its all speculation so lets just hold off and see what new changes are being made and if it becomes a more enjoyable class
The funny thing about Empires is that it actually does involve a lot of short to medium range combat for having huge maps. I think this is a result of vehicles and the ease at which forward spawns can be built. The end result is that it is almost always more effective to engage the enemy at close range with vehicles/inf/buildings rather than staying back and providing cover. If spawns were fixed, harder to produce, or vehicles harder to obtain, the type of long-range combat that better suits snipers or artillery would be more effective.
It's always fun to have a standard LT vs gren fight in close quarters The only long range part of RPGs is when you rocket snipe, it's guided capabilities are way to shit for long range effectiveness on far targets, best to use it close up so you have a garanteed hit :D It's not a game of preference, the only supremely long range weapon is the scout rifle, everything else is medium-short. But nobody's going to read this, they'll just flame.
doesn't that feel good? to make out with your fiends like that? lets all try to treat each other a bit nicer next time
Not a game of preference? if i prefer to shoot at you from far away i will, and up close? i can do that too, that is preference, games, there ment for fun, why should i limit my fun while playing because something is more effective? hehe i just think the game is amazing right now and what, 4 people play as a sniper per game (Both teams) thats not that much, and it doesn't effect the outcome of the game in a negative or beneficial way, they just lay back and kill and others get up in the enemies face, who cares, so one weapon is more effective, does that mean you now have to MAKE those players, playing a GAME i might add, become more effective instead of having fun doing what they want? this isn't war, it's a video game, people play it, it's not ment to be takin to such a intense "we must win" level.
HAHA... if 4 players dont benefit to the team they force the rest of the team to do more boring stuff, like building, running around to secure refinerys and so forth. With other words: IF YOU ARE TOTALY EGOISTIC AND ONLY DO STUFF INGAME THAT IS FUN FOR YOU, YOU KILL THE FUN FOR THE REST OF THE TEAM CAUSE THEY HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE BORING JOBS YOU DONT WANT TO DO. Its like in an fucking job if one guy does nothing the whole team has to make his work or in the end maybee everyone gets fired. Its about responsibility and maturity. and most people want to win, I dont say they want to win with every way possible, but if you only in search for fun and personal satisfaction. Empires is not the game for you, play a deathmatch game...
