One hit on a tank

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  1. Unit 1126 PLL

    Unit 1126 PLL Member

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    Yes, I know, the Empires "fuck realism" belief, but this bug is actually quite realistic. In real life, if a shell or other AP round hits the turret-ring (where the turret and body are connected) it sends the ball bearings flying around inside the tank like a shotgun blast, spurts flaming hydraulic fuel everywhere, and more often than not dislodges the turret from its mounting. At least it makes the tank unrepairable.

    This is why tanks and antitank infantry in World War II would aim, if they could, at the turret ring on enemy vehicles.
     
  2. rampantandroid

    rampantandroid Member

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    Realize, that recent tanks layer more armor there, and improve the overall design; furthermore there is a reason turrets are oversized - I'd like to you hit the exact area between the turret and the body on the Abrams - you won't. Go look at the turret.

    The bug isn't "oh he hit my weak spt" its "Oh, he hit my top, where I have no armor apparently."



    I'm not for 100% realism; I think the whole thing of it being future tech leaves room for the same type of stuff Start Trek and others do - be creative, but remain within the rules of reason (hell, at this point we can "teleport" photons from one place to another, and while we still can't say "Beam me up, Scotty!" it looks like such tech is possible via entanglement. So, should you create a car the has anti gravity stuff or something...fine, explain it with Tech....but I will not agree with outright twisting the rules of physics...that I think is too far...anyway...
     
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  3. Opie

    Opie Member

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    I seem to remember watching this sci-fi movie once where this big death ship kind of shaped like a star was killed in one hit when hit in the right place. YES just ONE shot, I was amazed, but maybe krenzo has seen this movie and made this a feature. Yup, sounds like a feature to me.
     
  4. rampantandroid

    rampantandroid Member

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    I seem to remember a post from a while ago. It went something like

    Random Guy "I love hitting people on the top with the mowtar, they die right away. Thought that was a feature"
    Krenzo "Why does no one report bugs? That is a bug"

    Maybe I imagined that...I'll go look for it later. Pretty damn sure people thought it was a feature and Krenzo or someone else did a double take as they did not know about it.
     
  5. Stu

    Stu BehälterGott

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    Haha that was me, I killed many a NF heavy tank in one hit on crossroads.
     
  6. Niarbeht

    Niarbeht Member

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    I'd understand a one-hit-kill if you, say, got a grenade inside the hatch atop the tank or got a mortar shell directly inside said hatch, but that's it.
     
  7. cHoCoBo lOl

    cHoCoBo lOl Member

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    Isnt that star wars?
    the death star...
    with the shot that went down the tube and it hit the core generator of the death beam...
    also, the nf heavy is indeed a wwII tank... germany had it, its the exact same tank
     
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  8. dizzyone

    dizzyone I've been drinking, heavily

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    Krenzo is now going to make a death icon for it and claim it was a feature all along :D
     
  9. REX

    REX Member

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    Lol I did the same thing on Island once. We had lost from the beginning with no comm and BE getting the entire map with all refs.

    I busted their BE heavies for more than half an hour, from the hills shooting right down on the top. I cant remember his name... it was something like a regular name.... he caled me a cunt and mine whore everytime througout the last half. ^^
     
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  10. Chahk

    Chahk Member

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    I just had this happen yesterday again on emp_glycencity, this time I was an NF grenadier one-hit-killing BE AFVs. It took exactly 2 mortar shells to kill them, but it was probably the 2nd one landing on the "sweet spot" that did it.

    One of these days we should have a playtest session on a classic map with full research on to narrow this "feature" down. The questions here are as follows:
    1. Where is the sweet spot? (get your minds out of the gutter)
    2. Does armor type matter?
    3. Does tank chassis matter?
    4. Does this only affect stationary tanks, or moving ones, or both?
    5. Will applying Krenzyte help at all?
     
  11. Private Sandbag

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    so basically, it's like a headshot for tanks, huh?

    well, sure, sounds fine to me.
     
  12. MOOtant

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    It isn't comparable to head shot because infantry is moving fast. If a player moves around, dodges and stuff it's hard to predict where he's going to be. Now with tanks it much easier. Tank can't turn around in 0.01s. Hatch area is much bigger than head in case of infantry. To sum up: it's just too easy.

    You can notice it especially on maps like escort. On most of classic maps it's a bit harder.
     
  13. knighttemplar

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    I don't like this and wish you had to kill tanks by normal means.
     
  14. Mr. Weedy

    Mr. Weedy I will report bugs on the bug tracker

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  15. Opie

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    Good job Weedy! Thats how you find a bug and get it fixed! You win the thread.
     
  16. rampantandroid

    rampantandroid Member

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    The germans had no such tank in WWII. You want to see WWII tanks the Germans had, look up their Tiger tanks, Jagdpanzers and so on...none were of the style the NF heavy is. The NF heavy looks more like tanks made after WWI, in the late 20s.
     
  17. Niarbeht

    Niarbeht Member

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    I approve this message.
     
  18. Unit 1126 PLL

    Unit 1126 PLL Member

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    I agree. Its more like, if anything, the Soviet T-35 or T-28 (and its not exactly the same, but the multiple turrets remind me of it). The NF tanks in general, save the LT, remind me of pre-WWII tanks primarily because of their all-round track assembly, while the BE Medium is almost an exact copy (to me, at least) of a Leopard 2A6EX tank. Its AWESOME!

    Thus, in conclusion, BE is really Nazi Germany and NF is really the Soviet Union....

    or not.
     
  19. Niarbeht

    Niarbeht Member

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    Which we already knew.

    BE is Space Nazis, NF is Space Commies.

    Or, bucketheads and browncoats, if you prefer.

    PAX JEKOTIA!
     
  20. rampantandroid

    rampantandroid Member

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    Actually, the Russians were the first to make massive improvements to tank design with a completely new suspension system in the 1930s. The only reason the German tanks from WWII were so effective - is not armor or reliability (actually, many of them leaked fuel and were very inefficient...hell, "Kelly's Heros" gets that right!) but rather because each had its own radio and very good communication - whereas other tanks did not till much later.
     

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