I have finally reached my fill of Empires forums. I will stay on as an Admin on NUBS if creeper wants me to, but my game play in Empires will reduce. I can no longer support such a hostile place and utter disrespect for people that this environment creates. This comment reached an all time low even for Empires, and my statement was of a real life situation, not some in game drama or such. I defended a friend whom I am sure most of you have your dislikes for for some reason or other. I spoke of a time I wish for no one to experience, even though it is inevitable for all of you to endure. The following excerpt, while long, was in forum chat, and I stand behind anything I said there. The response was even worse than I would have ever expected. The response is at the end, but I wanted you to see the entire log here. I would never make this kind of comment, even to someone I disliked. My hope is this doesn't get omitted, because this was an attack on me, not the character Doc. To tell someone "I don't give a shit" about your father dying, well I don't even have words to explain that comment. Code: Yesterday at 7:54 PM - DocRabbit: I would like to talk to creeper about him abusing his admin to fit his own needs. vipervicki Yesterday at 7:54 PM - vipervicki: he still doing that? vipervicki Yesterday at 7:54 PM - vipervicki: come to our ts DocRabbit Yesterday at 7:54 PM - DocRabbit: yeah, he did it to steve the other day vipervicki Yesterday at 7:54 PM - vipervicki: me and thecreeper are there evryday til we go to bed so are some others vipervicki Yesterday at 7:55 PM - vipervicki: want the address? DocRabbit Yesterday at 7:55 PM - DocRabbit: yeah vipervicki Yesterday at 7:55 PM - vipervicki: ts3.firebit.co.uk DocRabbit Yesterday at 7:55 PM - DocRabbit: k vipervicki Yesterday at 7:55 PM - vipervicki: right now onle me and thecreeper are there Paradox Yesterday at 11:04 PM - Paradox: Thats where LT gets his admin abuse from , now I Get it Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:20 AM - Sgt.Security: I knew it's Steve UK, like when you said someone PM you about abuse, I am fairly sure he did not tell you that he had been language-harrasing several members including myself over the course of years Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:21 AM - Sgt.Security: And of course, when you punish him he just goes to you because I totally silenced him randomly. Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:21 AM - Sgt.Security: when * Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:21 AM - Sgt.Security: when I* Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:22 AM - Sgt.Security: I have explained this to Creeper already, and yeah Steve picked the guy who didn't know about the story to complain, how convenient. Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:27 AM - Sgt.Security: And that SOMEONE did take the story without coming to me at all because he probably also wanted to jump on me when he's got a change, right? Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:27 AM - Sgt.Security: chance* Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:28 AM - Sgt.Security: That's very neutral and nice, Doc, anyway you got your rights to dislike me, it's really not like I care, someone has to dislike you like Steve UK. Paradox Yesterday at 12:33 AM - Paradox: Since when is it ok to silence a guy completely for having an oppinion about other people? Paradox Yesterday at 12:33 AM - Paradox: Dont get me wrong, I dont like steve uk at all Paradox Yesterday at 12:33 AM - Paradox: But seems a bit harsh to silence him or punish him in general cause he says bad things about you Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:34 AM - Sgt.Security: Not just me, also that's not just once, twice, three times, four times. Paradox Yesterday at 12:34 AM - Paradox: I get you're an admin and you dislike getting bad things said about you, but tons of bad things get said to non admins constantly and they dont get silenced Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:34 AM - Sgt.Security: Not even 10 times, it's over course of years. Paradox Yesterday at 12:34 AM - Paradox: I Dont think that warrants anything honestly Paradox Yesterday at 12:35 AM - Paradox: JGF makes fun of xya his accent and nationality Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:35 AM - Sgt.Security: Okay Paradox, you play your Dota, jump on every player you see. Paradox Yesterday at 12:35 AM - Paradox: on a semi daily absis Paradox Yesterday at 12:35 AM - Paradox: What ar eyou talking about? Ive said it plenty of itmes before,, im the nicest guy in dota because if you are mean in dota you dont win games NekoBaron Yesterday at 12:35 AM - NekoBaron: inert other drama Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:35 AM - Sgt.Security: I have to say, Xya is pretty tolerant with these kind of things. Paradox Yesterday at 12:35 AM - Paradox: being nie actually helps you win games in that game so Im nice Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:35 AM - Sgt.Security: Even though he does rage a lot. Paradox Yesterday at 12:35 AM - Paradox: Yeah security, I dont care if xya is tolerant Paradox Yesterday at 12:36 AM - Paradox: it's about the things the other person says Paradox Yesterday at 12:36 AM - Paradox: It's not because I have a thick skin that's ok to flame me, but someone else doesnt have a thick skin and gets flamed and the flamer get silenced Paradox Yesterday at 12:37 AM - Paradox: That reasoning is very off. It's about the action and not the victim Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:37 AM - Sgt.Security: JGF is an admin himself, it's really not like I can and should do anything to him. Paradox Yesterday at 12:37 AM - Paradox: Thats why Im saying steve shouldnt be punished for just flaming people since so many others do it constantly without getting punished Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:37 AM - Sgt.Security: Also don't flush my message, I am fairly sure Doc does not know what kind of a person Steve UK is. Paradox Yesterday at 12:37 AM - Paradox: just because you got hurt Paradox Yesterday at 12:38 AM - Paradox: doesnt mean you can go around punishing people cause you're the admin Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:44 AM - Sgt.Security: So many other do it constantly without getting punished, that does not justify anything at all and you know it. And yes i do step into senseless debate/insult on server, not just those against me. Paradox Yesterday at 12:45 AM - Paradox: I understand security, but if you are going to punish other people for insulting and you are of the oppinion that people shouldnt get away then you should consistently punish poeple you see doing that instead of only the people doing it to you Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:46 AM - Sgt.Security: I do, from time to time, and honestly I have no control over other admins. Paradox Yesterday at 12:47 AM - Paradox: Dont do it from time to time, cause right now it just seems like you are covering your own ass by saying its not justified that people get away, but Ill just only silence the people that piss me off Paradox Yesterday at 12:47 AM - Paradox: Having controle over other admins or not, if you are of the oppinion you have to enforce it, otherwise your oppinion is just covering your own ass from admitting it was admin abuse, which Im not saying it was, Im just saying it looks that way Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:48 AM - Sgt.Security: Okay from time to time is a bad phrase, I do that quite regularly. Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:48 AM - Sgt.Security: And yes if you wanna jump on me because "there's this once I didn't do anything", that's you know, a little inappropriate. Sgt.Security Yesterday at 12:49 AM - Sgt.Security: Anyway gotta go to work. Paradox Yesterday at 12:49 AM - Paradox: Im not jumping on you for a specific action Paradox Yesterday at 12:49 AM - Paradox: Im jumping on you for the reasoning of the action Paradox Yesterday at 12:49 AM - Paradox: or atleast the context around it that i've heard about ScardyBob Yesterday at 12:50 AM - ScardyBob: empdrama is bestdrama Paradox Yesterday at 12:52 AM - Paradox: badmin drama is best drama CRITAWAKETS Yesterday at 1:47 AM - CRITAWAKETS: Ohh schit mai aynuis iz burnin vipervicki Yesterday at 1:47 AM - vipervicki: security..no worries CRITAWAKETS Yesterday at 1:47 AM - CRITAWAKETS: Its spanish for :"This food is very good" vipervicki Yesterday at 1:48 AM - vipervicki: lol what is? vipervicki Yesterday at 1:48 AM - vipervicki: oh thats not spanish vipervicki Yesterday at 1:48 AM - vipervicki: lol vipervicki Yesterday at 1:48 AM - vipervicki: haha i jsut read it vipervicki Yesterday at 1:49 AM - vipervicki: speecy spicy food CRITAWAKETS Yesterday at 2:08 AM - CRITAWAKETS: [IMG] ScardyBob Yesterday at 2:17 AM - ScardyBob: fire from your butthole? complete_ Yesterday at 4:36 AM - complete_: please dont conclude admin drama until i get to post A-z-K Yesterday at 4:46 AM - A-z-K: Shit like this the reason why I never take any admin action ever besides ungrief. DocRabbit 51 minutes ago - DocRabbit: I find it funny that if anyone is rude to Security, it's always their fault, even when his arrogance and rudeness is what spawns that approach people take with him. DocRabbit 45 minutes ago - DocRabbit: And yes, steve_uk is my friend, one of the few true friends I have in this community. While steve may have his faults, he was one of the very few people here that was there for me when my father passed away a couple of years ago. DocRabbit 43 minutes ago - DocRabbit: Most of the people here probably didn't even know about that. So yes Security, he is my friend, and I will defend him. I am a real person, not just a bunch of text or a voice on a microphone. The problem with this community, you forget there are real people behind the text. DocRabbit 38 minutes ago - DocRabbit: So flame on if you have to, I am sure there are those here that will just love to do it, just because its the cool or "pc" thing to do. The real problem with this game will never be fixed with scripts programming or new models, because the real problem is the people and the way you treat others. Sgt.Security 18 minutes ago - Sgt.Security: What a touching story, yeah well, I don't gives a shit, anyway I am gonna walk off with this completely, I thought you were neutral but well, arguing with a hater is just a plain waste of time. DocRabbit 15 minutes ago - DocRabbit: My point exactly Mr PC himself DocRabbit 14 minutes ago - DocRabbit: Someday your father will pass, I hope you look back on what you just said.