[debate] What would the implications be of the following concerning gren

- Grenadiers can no longer rearm rockets or mortar shells at ammo boxes, armory still works
- Grenadier has to pick either mortar or rocket launcher (yes i realize lore wise they are the same weapon)
- Grenadier starts with either 4 artillery shells or 2 rockets, and this is the max able to be carried
- splash damage on the mortar is doubled in range and damage
- Grenadier gets an smg in favor of losing either the mortar or the rpg
- Rockets become dumb fire, move 50% faster
- the following roster is the average hits a gren rpg does to a tank to kill it if they have max armour
* apc - 2 rpg's to the same side
* light tank - 1 rpg to the same side
* med tank/arty - 2 rpgs to the same side
* heavy tank - 3 rpgs to the same side

For mortar in percentage damage per hit, maxsplash/directhit
* turrent - 50%/60% (so 2 hits for direct hit, 3 or more for splash depending on where you hit)
* Barracks - 20%/25%

other shit up for balance

Basically a more powerful weapon set, but far less flexibility and ammunition. Their supply lines would depend on availability of armories and once they run out they turn into a normal smg soldier until they find the time or effort to reload.

I feel this would make infantry against tanks more potent and relevant late game, but also make it so it balances the gren out against the other classes in usability without pulling out its teeth. Gren is very very useful and powerful since it can bring down tanks cheaply and is a good anti infantry character, but the fact that he can reload his ammo in the field means that it is just too flexible and powerful versus other classes. plus the choices with gren in loadout is minimal... I would prefer seeing grens having to choose a loadout and thus specify if they want to be anti infantry/buildings or anti tanks

 

I play almost always either gren or engineer, but thanks for the personal attack... Maybe you dont want me to take away your personal toy super class.

Kill 1 apc, 1 med or 2 light tanks btw, since in the scope of this suggestion thats what it would be capable of

Yes, as intended

Needs to be a hit, and dumb fire against lts is not easy unless the lt is standing still...

Thats the issue imo, ts the best class, i want it to be a bit more skill based and specialized.

 

if you want the mortar grenadier to become a combat pioneer then it should have more support from the commander. I wrote this today in the new skill suggestions thread. If there was a new "building" called fox hole or something with plenty of ammo where the gren could camp and fire his mortar all the time, that would do. but that of course would remove our brave fighting grens, cause he would actually become artillery and would need more infantry support. still idc, I would like that. If you want an anti infantry explosive weapon get a grenade launcher. Grenadier-Grenade Launcher. =OOOO. Ye. One like m79. It could have same damage, rot etc with the current mortar but you could easily carry many grenades and so blizzerd wouldn't try to take the ammo for us. the only differences would be the model and the fact that you wouldn't need to aim at different angle.

Nabs wouldn't freak out as much if the'd be killed by a grenade launcher cause tf2 etc and a nab doesnt think he can be killed by a mortar.

If the gren gets to pick only one gren weapon then he shouldnt have less than 4 rockets +1 in the tube.

 

I mean, why can't we use the mortar as an actual mortar instead of making an ultra op grenade launcher. Just replace it with a grenade launcher and you won't even need to crouch to fire!

 

i would actually get behind this.

also lol 'from us' feeling mightily pointed out now are we

 

grenadier already works well. people enjoy playing it. removing the thing that people enjoy using makes the class boring and not fun to play

also instant kill weapons for infantry regardless of how much ammo they have is a bad idea

 

Lamer I said that the mortar could be replaced by a grenade launcher that worked exactly the same way or even better. Nothing would get removed. An actual mortar would be added to the game and the current mortar would be a grenade launcher. Grenadier would be the same thing except one more weapon choice.

 

my post was in reply to the first post
grenade launchers suck. they have no range and just annoy people like grenades do (what is the difference between someone throwing a grenade and it being launched anyways?

 

Here's my two cents : No.

We are not going to rework something that's being used frequently & a lot of people enjoy.

Your suggestion is appreciated but I would prefer if you can make suggestions about new things or broken things.

 

i dont know why theres a topic about reworking the gren when its the only class that is practically perfect

 

Except it sucks dicks at the only thing they should be best at.

 

I don't care that about the gren, but what I said is to replace the mortar model with a grenade launcher and have the same stats, range, damage, everything so the gren mortar skill doesn't die, and you complain about grenades while I'm saying it would do exactly the same thing. It would fire a grenade that would explode on impact, just like the mortar shell. Waow. If you think that a grenade launcher like that sucks, then you're saying that the current mortar sucks. I don't know if you understood that so I'm wrote it again.

 

that doesnt require a rework though. just a buff