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  1. blizzerd

    blizzerd Member

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    you nostalgia, you lose
     
  2. Trickster

    Trickster Retired Developer

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    To be entirely honest, I don't think it matters what we do, we're boned anyway.
     
  3. LordDz_2

    LordDz_2 Strange things happens here

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    I beg to differ, (is that how you say it?) sure, it's going to take a lot, but if we can get rid of the idiotic things we have in the current world and instead add more support of education, removal of weapons and common sense, I think we have a chance after all.
     
  4. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

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    at least you cannot be sure unless you failed trying.
     
  5. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    We kind of have a Solution for energy problems, it's called nuclear fusion ( google iter or jet) ITER is going to put out 12 mega wats that's 3 more then needed to keep it going. It's pretty much in the pocket, problem is iter is only a testing facility and only going up in 2019, its being built already though. The nuclear fusion comity thingy suspect firstcommercial nuclear fusion plant will only go up in 2040/50, so the thing is, lets not kill ourselfs before 2040. Btw, fucking alucard is mad cause some guy went racist on his asian ass and wants to put out his frustrations on the internet now. Get over yourself alucard.
     
  6. Grantrithor

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    fusion? are you sure it's not fission?

    btw do you barbaric euros still use coal? thank god for CANDU.
     
  7. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    It's fusion, just google it. I have received a 3 hour prsentation about it.
     
  8. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    Hollywood makes you believe its impossible, thats cause hollywood is talking bout cold fusion.
     
  9. Chris0132'

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    Fusion is more than possible, it's how stars work, and doing it for short amounts of time is fairly easy.

    The difficulty lies in getting sustained terrestrial fusion to work, but that's just a matter of perfecting the technique.

    It'll happen eventually.

    And once it does it's a pretty much ideal fuel supply, it uses the most commonly available materials in the universe (and on earth) and produces mostly inert helium as waste. It doesn't explode, keeping it going requires constant supervision, so it's automatically safe, and it doesn't really require any hard to acquire resources, so no pollution and deaths due to finding all the oil/coal to power the thing.

    Plus, it would be the ideal reason to switch over to electric cars, electric everything in fact, which is good because it standardises things, the same power generated at a fusion plant could power cars, houses, shipping, industry, whatever you want. Rather than running lots of inefficient power generators, you can centralise (or decentralise, to a degree) power production and run it wherever you like.
     
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  10. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

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    IF its possible. in the end its gravity that "starts the fusion process" in stars (aka forms huge enough helium balls), and we have no fucking clue what gravity is whatsoever.
    but i bet ill get an answer for something not even physicists can give here on the forums :D
     
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  11. Candles

    Candles CAPTAIN CANDLES, DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUN DUN.

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    You don't need to know what causes gravity to know how fusion works. It's simply the collision of atoms to form a larger atom and maybe lose a few subatomic particles in the process. This is opposed to fission which is shooting a neutron at a large atom to form normally two smaller atoms. The thing about stars is that they're so absolutely massive that their gravitational force pulls the outside in with enough strength that it forces the atoms together and manages to contain the energy. The reason we can't do fusion on Earth is because we don't have enough of a force to keep the energy contained enough to keep the reaction going. The solution that is being vetted mainly is to use an immense electromagnetic field to contain the particles, as fusion normally involves charged ions, although there are other ways to contain the energy.
     
  12. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

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    thats basically what i wanted to say. i should have left this "not knowing" passage out, its only confusing. anway, there is no reason not to try either - and if only to further understand our limits.
    what we should not do, is having the illusion that fusion is something we could rely on as future energy source - atm, on a human scale, it simply doesnt work for more then a few seconds because we are unable to create a perfect enough magnetic field to contain the plasma. and since plasma is ionized gas, as soon as it touches the walls, it discharges ...

    but we really dont need fusion either - the sun provides (way) more energy to us in a single day then we currently use in a year. its way more probable that we can harvest some (more) of this energy source - an the best is - the tech is here, wed just need to build more of it before we run out of fossils - the building process will take quite a bit of energy (and oil) aswell.
     
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  13. Candles

    Candles CAPTAIN CANDLES, DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUN DUN.

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    By all means, even "a few seconds" is a gross exaggeration of it's duration. But, as Chris said, it's simply a matter of perfecting the process. Progress in all fields should be advanced equally, unless something in one field is a definitive answer. Fusion is definitive in that we know it can be done on earth theoretically, but it should not be seen as a cure-all due to the practicals being worked out.

    Suffice to say though, if it does work out, it could easily be a cure-all, considering that its sole by product is Helium and a few seconds of radioactivity, with its fuel being isotopes of Hydrogen measured on the scale of milligrams and absolutely no chance of a meltdown, unforeseen psychics not accounted for.

    The issue with the sun providing us with "more energy in a second" is that much of that energy is taken up by the atmosphere itself and used to warm the Earth. Past that, it would require an incredible number of solar cells to harvest even a thousandth of the energy that does actually contact the Earth itself, due to solar cells not being the most efficient of devices.
     
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  14. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

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    solar cells only if you want photovoltaics, for solarthermics you only need mirrors and oil to heat - also wind and water is sun-power too. as said, the tech would be here - is it too low-tech to get used or what?
     
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  15. Candles

    Candles CAPTAIN CANDLES, DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUN DUN.

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    It's all a balance. Water power is great, except that dams can effect fish populations, as they have in my city, or drastically affect geography, like the Three Gorges Dam.

    Wind power is great, except for one major problem no one mentions: The parts of a wind turbine have EXTREMELY small tolerances. We're talking micrometers here. If you aggregated all of the parts, it takes enough metal to form over fifty failed turbines to make one turbine that works. And every time a part doesn't meet tolerances, it has to be remelted down, which uses more energy.

    Solar-thermal cells are even more inefficient than photovoltaic cells, which do require the use of rare earth elements.
     
  16. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

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    since we talking about that much energy - i looked it up in wiki, it says 7000times of what we use per year per year - you can live with low degrees of efficiency.
    apart from that with more funding and the resulting research their efficiency might improve considerably.

    but well, in the end you cannot live without irreversibly consuming the foundation for life - and if its only entropy that isnt reverseable. its all just a question about will we, as human race, make it 200 or 2000 more years.
    currently our answer seems to be 50 years at max :rolleyes:
     
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  17. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    Iter will be able to sustain the plasma formed for over 10 minutes as of now, but since science advances by 2019 they suspect itll be hours of time generating enough energy for 2-4 cities. But they wont do that, its a testing facility afterall. Flaschr fusion power is perfectly possible and viable. 1 vottle of heavy water = the energy need of a human being for 11 years. And there is almost no dangerfor te workers at all if the elemtromagnetic field fails. There just isnt enough mass in the plasma to really damage anything but the hull. No major explosions or anything. Fusion is the future fullstop
     
  18. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

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    are you typing on your smartphone? :eek:

    you should learn to distinquish what scientists say to get further fundings and reality. each 10years they say well have fusion in about 20 years - we still burn uranium, plutonium and fossils ...
     
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  19. Devourawr

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    I only type on my smartphone. Still get shit across.
     
  20. flasche

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    i just asked because of the, even for paradox, horribad spelling ...
     

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