Does 2 minutes of research time matter?

Vehicle training is a metric for quickly testing out Heavy tanks - never did I say it was a metric for gameplay. Head to head to determine which is more powerful or which team is more skilled, it's Vehicle Training. We've also done tank tests on Tank Training since we don't have to wait for research to test out everything. So since we were talking about BE Heavies being more powerful than NF heavies, wouldn't you think that is the map to validate that claim ?

Good comparison to District flasche, which is a decent map to try out weapons. The walls are good for looking at different firing spreads and distance shot tests. We did some tests on various skills and ironsight aims. We talking about Practice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29VsG35DQM

Oh and welcome back HeXi - now get into a game so I can spank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4hsjwLi_Wg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSIM1e_suu4

 

Sure, it'll tell you head-to-head which one's better. But we all know there's far more to Empires than just tank combat. I'd rather have a nuke tank or two in that army in an actual game rather than having them all be the same.

Plus, everyone almost always gets the same thing on it. Full, or almost full compo, HE for the cannon, BioMG, BioML or Homing Salvo. It doesn't really change past that.

 

No, the map doesn't take into account the efficiency of the tanks. Resources are almost unlimited, but it goes without saying that even though a tank can output a lot of damage it wouldn't be so effective if your team can only afford two.

 

You think resources matter in normal games?

 

Resources are the difference between having to actually think about what to research and rushing compo nuke heavies every round. Sadly, due to the inconsistency between resource rates on maps, they're a terrible way to balance things. If <A> is balanced against <B> because <A> costs twice as much as <B>, that doesn't really matter if you're playing map <X> which has ridiculous resource rates.

 

Well, if it was stated somewhere, say on the wiki how much resources a map generally should have, it would help the mappers as right now it's more of a "decompile <X> map, look at all the refineries, guess that it fits your <Y> map and then add that to your <Z> refineries."

 

They do.

There are so many things that I hate about this game. I try to just shut the fuck up because no one likes a whiner. But you made my hour for articulating one pustule of bile that's been bubbling in my belly for some time now.

 

Lots of opinions on armor, as Candles said there are few choices for weapons and engine. It comes down to the fact that most commanders will push bio, nf dual bio or be single bio. Your armor choices are then limited to regen or compo. Regen sucks against missiles or he. So regardless of the price compo is the right choice. Must good tank drivers can keep the same tank all game if you give them a good armor, shit armor loses more tanks. If you are a shit tank driver then go cheap. Keep your expensive tanks longer and have more on the field.

My opinion.

 

I think he said "missiles & HE" and meant "weapons for meds & up", which are opposed to weapons that APCS & LTs use.

 

Begin game armor, reactive is great. It's heavier but you have more that you can put on a medium and still have a missile and he. When you get to heavies and many times shortly after mediums are pushed they will have bio missiles so reactive is then bad. Now you have to stop researching heavies and get compo. The team that starts with compo gets to heavies first. Heavies with bio are more difficult for ground troops to fight But of course on a resource constrained map it may be good to hold off on compo. A fully loaded compo heavy costs 1750 ish. I wish we had more big maps with resources, since tank battles are alot of fun.

Regen imho drops more plates on missile hits than compo, and you can fit more plates with compo because it's lighter. If bio ml were not being used, reactive would save you money.

There are alot better tank drivers out there than me, but I know that I usually keep my medium and drop it in front of the rax for a heavy. Put on regen and I won't have time to get away before it is dead.

Let's meet online at tank training and run some tests.

 

If you go the reactice route, you should have compo before you start heavies.

Reactive is the best armor in the game for LTs, APCs & early mediums (meds with one 70-weight weapon).

When we're talking about fully equipped mediums (with 2+ ~70-weight weapons) or heavies, then you need compo instead of reactive.

So after you finish equipping your mediums, you need to get compo. Your beefier mediums will need the lighter armor. Then you get heavies.

I get that res might be tight, but you shouldn't be thinking about heavies in the first place if you're short on cash.

Is there any way that we can get Candles to look this stuff up for us (or share some source so we can look it up ourselves)?

I'm not sure that you're interpreting the bio modifier correctly. We shouldn't have to test this stuff if we have access to source.

 

Lazy, keep commanding and you'll understand why we research compo. I spoke my peace. Anything more is redundant.

Canyon, is normally won by foot soldiers, but game ended with tanks. By that I mean the soldiers destroy all structures, the heavies destroy the com, but there are variations like arty is really worthwhile on canyon.

Play me with your regen vs my compo on any map and you'll quickly get tired of losing. Two grens will destroy your mediums before they can get away. Well bleed you while apc's take down your base and heavies tool around tormenting troops, buildings and your com.

 

Because it requires the least thought?


Also I don't get the hate for absorbant. I usually keep abso tanks longer than other tanks for some reason, maybe I'm just getting out and repairing more often because I know I don't have regen to fall back on or something.

 

Now we're just rehashing, Spartacus gets it, and is my best adversary.

Reactive requires you to research Electrical - if you're going for speed engine it is your best choice. If you want to rush Medium Bio, HE you stick to Chem, Mech, Bio and don't waste more time getting 3Phase and Reactive. If you have nubs you need Bio engine. As previously stated vets will not come back for vehicles so unless you're on Dust Storm you need to cater to your nubs. As Spartacus and I previously said, by the time you get to heavies you need Compo. When not researching Electrical - absorbant or if on a money map going right for Compo is your next best choice.

Next release all of this goes away and we learn again and YES please give us source code. It's highly unfair to provide it to some and not let all commanders analyze the values. I find the .1 vs .03 very interesting. You might find value in doing this as a real open source effort instead of having only a handful of developers helping.

You know when you are battling, and spinning your tank your not going to regen in time to take out 2 or 3 tanks. You might take out one with regen. Compo will enable you to fight longer, then come back and heal. You never sit around waiting for .03 to heal a compo tank. You might if you were in regen, MAYBE, sit back and shoot from a distance.

A point in your favor is that I know the timing of compo. I can fight and come back with three sides of armor completely gone and the tank still green. I don't play regen enough and when I use the same timing I lose a vehicle. I'll then push on foot as gren, since I don't believe in pushing vehicles if you can't keep them alive, so your team is then over-all weaker.

Also play with Hastchewas ONCE. He will be the only heavy on the field fighting three tanks at once and will rarely lose his tank. He will demand Compo and ER. He keeps his distance from the three tanks while pounding them and using team mates to benefit his ability to kill you over and over again. He won't get suckered into losing his heavy. He defends base when the team is weak and I've seen whole teams lose every tank while he's still out there with one tank. Most players jump in a tank and rush the front lines.

We should have a thread on how to fight from within a tank. I think I could learn a few things since I do rush a short distance from the front lines.

 

You speak your piece and hold your peace, but you don't speak your peace.

 

close the dammned quote.