What do you think of Obama's health care an/or economy package(s)

im not giving my opinion because i wanna see everyone else's to see whether i need my anti-flame suit or not.

 

What are Obama's health care an/or economy package(s)?

 

I am against universal healthcare

 

What is universal healthcare?

 

Canada

 

You mean socialised healthcare? Funded by the state and paid for in taxes rather than insurance?

We have it, it's awesome. I love knowing I can walk into a hospital and be treated without having to worry about bills.

I'm kind of amazed that America would ever adopt such a system however, seems a bit too... Communist.

 

pfft don't you mean wait and die in line?

 

No not really. You see we have this thing called 'accident and emergency' which means you don't have to wait in line.

I become seriously ill christmas eve, got picked up by a surgery minibus and taken to the surgery, the doctor there said she thought it was probably appendicitis and admitted me into the huge hospital we have near us, I went straight there in the minibus and got onto a ward, another doctor came and gave me painkillers, then more painkillers because the first ones weren't strong enough, they wheeled me into X ray in a wheelchair becuase intravenous morphiene and sleep deprivation makes you a bit groggy, I got X-rayed, had the operation that evening (it was now about 2 in the morning) and went home more or less the next day with the feeling that my insides were falling out and an itchy crotch because they shaved a huge chunk of hair off my leg, stomach, and pubes, and a small lubricated pill to shove up my ass so the painkillers wouldn't make me nauseous.

Aside from being nil by mouth for christmas day and having to have surgery it was a quite enjoyable experience, the drugs were fun and the people on the ward were a good laugh, and I got to eat lots of ice cream afterwards because I couldn't do much for a few days until the anasthetic wore off completely and the feeling of having lost a few major organs stopped and I could walk around without clutching my side for fear something fell out.

I didn't contract a virulant illness, I got in and out quickly and relatively painlessly, and was quite happy with how everything went.

Even my grandmother who is constantly in and out of hospital get admitted immediately when she is seriously ill. Of course if you don't need immediate attention you don't get it, you make an appointment like everyone else, but if you are about to die they take you in and see to you first.

 

doctors have less motivation.
*awaiting 5 paragraph rebuttal*

 

Health Care:
ABOUT FUCKING TIME! We've been waiting since Teddy Roosevelt for Universal healthcare.

Economic Package (I assume you mean the bailouts/stimulus):
We should have nationalized the banks rather than bail them out. Also, the stimulus was good, but way too small. I was hoping for a revived CCC.

Also, in b4 lock

 

They get paid to work. They save lives, more or less as they do now.

What more motivation do you need?

We've got loads of doctors.

Besides, we still have private healthcare, there's always some pillock willing to pay for the same thing in shiny wrapping paper and with a ribbon on. You can still have it if you want it so much.

 

Welcome friend!

 

Socialist healthcare is the way to go, not necessary to the extent of the British (but it is a very good and solid system, they have the healthiest people in Europe and no Americans cant compete at all to Europe on that)

In Belgium we have it that you pay the initial bill (take note that this is only a fraction of what you would pay in America because our health care insuirances system is completely different aswell) , and then the state pays back about 90 procent more or less depending on the actual need of the operation (cosmetics etc are payed back low, appendix removal almost completely payed back)

i personally prefer the brittish system because its cheaper for the state and the people and with less filing to do

In America they have the single worst system i can ever imagine, only Singapore tops it for not having a medical system

I must admit for correct perspective that i am a devoted socialist

 

Every public health system will end like on Cuba. Just a matter of time.

Blizzered you're retarded (I really mean it): "state pays". State has no money on its own.

 

i meant that as the state pays us from revenues made on taxes and state companies, making the cost shared by every Belgian citizen coming down to only paying like a couple 100€ a year (for me as a working person, its different if you don't work) for guaranteed medical treatments of top quality i thought that was obvious i guess not

its better that way, everyone who needs it can get healthyness no matter social/economical status

you are a meany for no reason and an idiot, Cuba has nothing to do with it and if you do want to involve it the people there are on average healthier then the American people (who are way more "prosperous" and have more doctors/hospitals), i agree its not the best example of social healthcare but this is due to corruption and poverty not due to the system itself being flawed

 

I think most Americans only hear the bad stories about socialized healthcare and not all the good ones. True, it is not as efficient as privatized healthcare, but then again neither our government's military nor education system is very efficient either. Thankfully, in America you can choose to protect yourself (private bodyguards) and educate your children in private schools if you have the money. I think with Obama's plan there is still a choice, but if you choose the private sector it will be a little more expensive (because of the increase in taxes).

This will probably end up hurting the middle class most of all, which is why the upper class should be given the majority of the tax burden (won't happen because they have more influence in government *sigh*).

And also, its not un-American to want to be like Canada or Europe. If they have better ideas than us, than we should adapt them (*cough* metric system). Thats called common sense, though many would like to this its un-patriotic.

 

The belief that State funded education/healthcare... w/e... is always substandard to the privatized version is not really true

If done properly, a united national healthcare institute could even do research and testing on a scale seen only in the largest multinational pharmaceutical companies and since healthier people support the economy it would lower the weight on other money absorbing agencies like unemployment etc

Basically what i want to say is that if done right, National socialist healthcare has far more potential then any private hospital could ever dare to offer! Great Brittan is a good example of how to do it but even they dont have perfection, it can always be better!

tldr; True common sense in 3 lines, *claps*

Europe has there bad sides too,though. in europe we tend to make more compromises then needed etc.

 

Must truly innovative medical research in the U.S. is publically funded through the NIH. Pharmaceutical companies usually just find a way to make minor changes to an existing drug and then re-patent it as the next great thing.