The New Armor System

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  1. Slithzerikai

    Slithzerikai I for one am glad the NF SMG 3 is gone

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    Don't tanks usually have a single gear forward, and two or three back?
     
  2. DJ Die

    DJ Die Member

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    nope opposite of that 3-4foward 1-2backward depending on type of tank and its weight but some older tanks using diesel engines had much more especialy WW2 heavy tanks that were using weak engine
    sorry for OT
     
  3. Mr. Weedy

    Mr. Weedy I will report bugs on the bug tracker

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    I think I already said this in this topic. The weights need some tweaking because there's so much annoyingly small overweight cases. The weight goes over the max limit by 2-10 and then you have 20 units spare space which you can't use to anything.

    Also I agree with others. I would like to have other armors on my vehicles too than just composite. If you use for example, reflective armor on BE tank and have two HE cannons on it, it can't have more than 2-3 armor plates. That's same amount as light tank with std cannon.

    Little tweaks and I think we're good.
     
  4. MOOtant

    MOOtant Member

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    Mr Weedy: about composite: I think that's a feature because you can adjust direction of your tank to enemy and take less damage (reflective's angle modifier). Composite is expensive "plain" armor with high health.
     
  5. Bodrick

    Bodrick Ye Olde Supermod

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    I like the idea. Some weights definately need tweaking though :p
     
  6. Mr. Weedy

    Mr. Weedy I will report bugs on the bug tracker

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    Umm... Composite doesn't have angle modifier set to 1. It's at 0.
     
  7. MOOtant

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    I didn't read what I had written. What I meant is that it's normal that you can put more composite armor because it's plain (with bigger health). Reflective allows you to reduce damage (I was hit by nuke and it took out 1 plate) so you don't need that many plates as composite.
     
  8. FalconX

    FalconX Developer

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    RC 21 released: http://forums.empiresmod.com/showthread.php?t=3239

    Weight upped on LT: +30, AFV: +20. You should be able to mount a cannon and MG without losing significant ammounts of armor. With 3 weapons on the LT you should have 4 plates to play with.

    Continue comments etc.
     
  9. Broccoli

    Broccoli Member

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    Praise the lord of balance! Can I hear an "hallelujah"?
     
  10. MOOtant

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    LTs are now really useful against medium BE tanks. You can use both SC and ML in one tank that has decent armor.
     
  11. Solokiller

    Solokiller Member

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    *Big no sound*
    Lt's should not be up to speed with meds, only if you have an advantage.
     
  12. Mr. Weedy

    Mr. Weedy I will report bugs on the bug tracker

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    LTs = Light Tanks

    Means, Lighter vehicles. Lighter vehicles are faster than heavier. At least they accelerate more with the same amount of power put into them than heavier vehicles.

    So in my opinion LTs and AFVs should be at least as fast as medium tanks.
     
  13. picard131

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    My final thoughts on the new armor system is that it's a great addition, and adds some much needed depth to the old 'buy heavy, put 6 layers of armor and nuke on it' tank wars system. I have at least 2 variants for each tank type for an independent role :D
     
  14. Align

    Align Member

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    But aren't you supposed to be in a fucking tank? Or is there some sort of intended weapon triangle here?
     
  15. picard131

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    Which is better at hunting tanks, an M1A1 Abrams or an M3 Bradley? Likewise, which is better at killing infantry in tight quarters? Tanks in themselves are designed for different roles, that is what is simulated here.
     
  16. Shinzon

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    With this new system there is actualy a point to the weight; the lighter armors have now been ressurected...

    All in all a good move and direction
     
  17. Mr. Weedy

    Mr. Weedy I will report bugs on the bug tracker

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    Umm... Only lighter armor compered to absorbant or any other armor is composite. So no S there.
     
  18. Chahk

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    I think this new system is a step in the right direction. Some tweaking is definitely required, but it's closer to the whole idea of trading armor for firepower.
     
  19. Unit 1126 PLL

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    The primary issue is that the only light armor is composite. Every other kind of armor has so few plates its not worth it compared to composite.

    W/ Composite: 6 plates on all sides and front, 5 plates on back. 2 HE cannons, and a Medium CG in BE heavy.

    W/ Regen/absorbant: 3 sides, five front, two rear with same weapons configuration.

    Its obvious which tank is superior.
     
  20. Caelo

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    it all depends on what you're going to face.. If its bio I'd say composite if it's HE or something Regen is better..
     

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