I hate the current infantry gameplay. So I intend remake it.

Hey guys, yeah it's me, wooooo.

I'm sick of welding myself to the ground, I'm sick of you welding yourself toe the ground. So I intend to rebalance empires.
Today we had a quick playtest with some new weapons, and I'm pleased with how it went, many ideas were shared, many were good, I have come to this list of loadouts and ideas.

The intention of the changes is to turn combat from crouching and firing, to having at least some movement involved. Currently moving in a firefight is suicide. I want to change that suicide into a tactical choice which can benefit you if you do it at the right time.

Keep in mind that the new weapons I intend are not official yet.

I plan to have very few weapons that have at any time an aimcone that is pinpoint.

This may not happen, but it is not a suggestion, I am going to script the weapons to behave in this way, and the devs will either give me thumbs up and help me modify the class loadouts, or they will not, whatever happens, I hope you all find this interesting.

Engineer:
BE
Primary - SMG1, SMG2
Secondary - Pistol1
Explosive - SeismicStickystun
Auxiliary - Calculator
NF
Primary - SMG1, SMG2
Secondary - Pistol1
Explosive - Seismic
Auxiliary - Calculator


Rifleman:
NF
Primary - Scoped Rifle, Assault Rifle, Heavy Rifle
Secondary - Pistol1, Shotgun Pistol
Explosive - HE Grenade
Auxiliary - Armor
BE
Primary - Assault Rifle, Carbine
Secondary - Pistol1, Machine Pistol, Pistol2
Explosive - HE Grenade
Auxiliary - Armor

Grenadier:
NF
Primary - Rocket/Mortar
Secondary - Pistol1
Explosive - Mine, Sticky, Stickystun
Auxiliary - Minesweeper
BE
Primary - Rocket/Mortar
Secondary - Pistol1
Explosive - Mine, Sticky, Stickystun
Auxiliary - Minesweeper

Support:
NF
Primary - HMG
Secondary - Pistol1
Explosive - HE Nade (More than rifleman), Smoke Grenade, Concussion Grenade
Auxiliary - Binoculars

BE
Primary - HMG
Secondary - Pistol1
Explosive - HE Nade (More than rifleman), Smoke Grenade, Concussion Grenade
Auxiliary - Binoculars

Weapons:
NF
SMGs
SMG1
Close range, 20 damage roughly, medium cone, cone increases dramativally after 5~ shots.
SMG2
Same as SMG1, however, does negates rifleman armor, but is less powerful against other classes.

Pistols
Pistol1
Medium-Close range, not highly powerful, fast firing rate, low damage, medium cone, better than BE pistol1, worse than BE pistol2.
Shot Pistol
No comment

Rifles
Scoped Rifle
Scoped rifle, good at long range, medium cone but pinpoint while scoped, low falloff.
Assault Rifle
Medium cone, 30-40 damage, cone does not change a lot.
Heavy Rifle
Small cone, 60~ damage, high falloff, negates rifleman armor.

Explosives
Same as 2.23

BE
SMGs
SMG1
Close range, 20 damage roughly, medium cone, cone increases dramativally after 5~ shots.
SMG2
Same as SMG1, however, does negates rifleman armor, but is less powerful against other classes.

Pistols
Pistol1
Medium-Close range, not highly powerful, fast firing rate, low damage, medium cone.
Pistol2
Desert eagle, negates rifleman armor, medium cone, low rate of fire, high recoil, high damage.
Machine Pistol
2.23 Machine Pistol

Rifles
Assault Rifle
Medium cone, 30-40 damage, cone does not change a lot.
Carbine
Small cone, 40~ damage, low falloff, decent rate of fire.

Explosives
Mortar
Double damage vs buildings.
RPG
10% of total armor+80 damage per rocket.
Mines
Maximum 10. Defusal no longer allows vehicles to ignore mines.
HE nade
Same damage as seismic vs buildings.

Other
Binocs
Can be used to place a temporary camera where you look (essentially you spot all infantry in your binoculars view
Minesweeper
Shows all mines on your and teammates minimaps, mines now have a small dim red sprite above them that only the grenadier can see.
Support has scout skills.
Sabotage no longer takes 50% health off infantry spawning.
All BE weapons do slightly less damage and have slightly smaller cones than NF.

If this alt gets banned it is entirely empiresmod's loss.

Moderator note: You realise that this is ban evasion? I am at full liberty to ban this account, and extend your original ban even further. That's correct, extending it from permanent to permanent and a month. I'm sure you were banned permanently for a good reason, instead of evading ban for the 3rd time, how about you contact the admin who banned you? By evading this ban you risk getting your friends (tovarich) account banned as well.

 

Look at your damage values and think about it...

 

Nothing is set in stone.
Balance is a trial and error process.

 

Empty fail, dizzy win?

 

Someone tries to balance empires.... and he gets banned....

what does this tell us??

 

He was banned because he evaded a previous (and permanent) ban, not because of any other reason.

 

There should be a form somewhere for requesting un bann. With a quiz of the forum rules and a brief essay portion.
For those who really are sorry and want to contribute but cant request an unbann w/out breaking rules.

Perhaps it could be a probation period.

In reply to the topic. turning the scout to a support class would be interesting.

 

i think empty did more then his time and should have been unbanned long long ago

anyway, this thread is not about the soap opera that is empty

i played with some of the temporary weapons of that script, its really good and some ideas are really refreshing

keep up the good work empty, even if it gets you banned

 

Wow, thank you dizzyone.
Someone is bringing up some concepts and you ban him without remorse.

 

let us refrain from turning this thread into "empty and the oppressive developers"

keep on subject people, before this thread gets closed due to revolutionist ideas /rolleyes

 

I thought he left, you didn't ban him lollercuts

 

this thread is in the wrong forum, its not an idea it should be in "art" or "general discussion" as are all "mini-mods" and community content


not trying to be annoying or anything, but i don't see why this was moved to here...

 

This all just such a mess.

Anyhow, having a support class instead of the Scout could turn out alright I suppose. Even though sneaking around was fun, it just made no fucking sense most of the time.

 

Its a suggestion as to how the weapons should be.

 

as i see it how empty told me about it the scout is still the scout, he just has the hmg now and a sidearm to defend himself and thats it in case of weapons

and the rifleman lost his hmg because a hmg isn't a rifle anyway

this way the scout/support can ambush players with hide and hmg, sneak around with pistols and hide in enemy base, or can actively help assaults by providing huge cover fire in walls of led while the real riflemen charge up

 

Scout with HMG? Sounds overpowered....

 

Nah, he'll just get into your base, go hide, and then camp your rax that makes you spawn with 50% health while he guns down everyone with an mg

 

Don't forget the shotgun he'll have stowed in his anal cavity.