vehicle Weapons Changes from 2.12 to 2.2

Dragoon · Dec 21, 2008

I postet this on the BSID board, but maybe the one or other got a use for it here too.

I did a comparison between the vehicle weapon script files from 2.12 and 2.2 after I got inspired by FN198 Post.

The Format is following
I will only show the differences between two files.
I start with the name of the Weapon then the comparison follows
Top Line in red stands for Empires 2.12
Second Line in yellow for 2.2
In white than my comment on these changes.
Be advised, I wrote that all in one go without even reading the sentence is just typed.
I it will be full of grammar and especially spelling errors. Right now, I give a shit but will check it later.
If a mod feels the urge to act as spell aid, don't hold it back you chubby fuddy-duddy nerd.

Vehicle_Weapons

"Standard Machine Gun"

* "Cost" "10" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost
* "Cost" "25" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost
Notice almost all weapons have been increased in cost, often almost doubled.

* "Cycle Time" "0.16" //time between shots
* "Cycle Time" "0.1" //time between shots

* "Projectile Spread" "0.01" //only applicable to machine guns at the moment
* "Projectile Spread" "0.025" //only applicable to machine guns at the moment

Before you could go sniping over the half map with this weapons and an APC with 3 Standard MG's where an powerful anti-infantry weapon, but now with a Projectile Spread higher than a Medium Chain Gun (0.02) this weapon as a single placement is not longer reliable. However, an APC with 3 of them is still effective when used in short distance and still better than the awful chain gun.
To give you an impression what the increase in spread to 0.025 means here some spread vales for other machineguns to compare.

50.cal MMG & HMG "Projectile Spread" "0.01"

Medium Chain Gun "Projectile Spread" "0.02"
Chain Gun "Projectile Spread" "0.038"

Bio & Plasma MG "Projectile Spread" "0.03"

DU MMG "Projectile Spread" "0.04"
DU HMG "Projectile Spread" "0.035"

HE MG "Projectile Spread" "0.015"

"Bio Machine Gun"

* "Cost" "35" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost
* "Cost" "50" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost

".50 Caliber Medium Machine Gun"

* "Cost" "30" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost
* "Cost" "50" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost

".50 Caliber Heavy Machine Gun"

* "Cost" "40" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost
* "Cost" "75" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost

"Anti-Tank Machine Gun"

* "Cost" "30" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost
* "Cost" "50" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost

"Anti-Tank Heavy Machine Gun"

* "Cost" "50" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost
* "Cost" "75" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost

"Chain Gun"

* "Cost" "20" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost
* "Cost" "25" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost

* "Projectile Spread" "0.04"
* "Projectile Spread" "0.038"

"Medium Chain Gun"

* "Cost" "30" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost
* "Cost" "40" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost

"Plasma Machine Gun"

* "Cost" "40" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost
* "Cost" "50" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost

* "Heat To Target" "10" //heat added to target on hit (a small amount of heat is also added to the target based on damage, this is defined within the armor script)
* "Heat To Target" "6"
Plasma weapons have been cut even further. Now you hurt yourself as much as the enemy, because of "Heat" "6" //heat added per shot fired (100 total heat added to vehicle puts it in an overheated status). Of course it’s still a good team weapon, but beside a long time ago on the map VehicleTraning I never had a game where I or someone else sacrificed himself to overheat enemy tanks while others get the easy kills

"HE MG"

* "Cost" "40" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost
* "Cost" "75" //cost of this weapon added onto vehicle cost

* "Damage" "12" //damage done by projectile
* "Damage" "14" //damage done by projectile

* "Projectile Spread" "0.025" //only applicable to machine guns at the moment
* "Projectile Spread" "0.015" //only applicable to machine guns at the moment

* "Explosion Radius" "100" //radius of damage sphere to hurt surrounding entities
* "Explosion Radius" "120" //radius of damage sphere to hurt surrounding entities

It received quite a big buff up. Not only the damage and the splash damage range has been increased, but the also projectile spread was lowered so much that attacking a LVL3 Turrets from outside their range now cost you on average 2 magazines to destroy. If build very close together you may be lucky and take more than one down. Notice, a magazine has 30 bullets and it takes 15 to take down a turret and somewhat less than 2 1/2 mags to destroy a Building (all buildings except turrets have same HP isn't it?). NF towering barracks are obviously fucked.

"Standard Cannon"

* "Cost" "20"
* "Cost" "25"

"Ranged Cannon"

* "Cost" "20"
* "Cost" "50"

* "Speed" "3000" //speed of projectile
* "Speed" "3300" //speed of projectile

* "Inertia" "3" //actually reverse to inertia, only applicable to cannons, artillery cannons, and grenades; affects how the speed of the vehicle affects the momentum of the projectile (higher inertia = vehicle speed will affect the trajectory of the projectile possibly causing it to veer off from a straight line or shoot farther or shorter)
* "Inertia" "1"

Ranged CN has been improved in exchange HE CN got cut. Ranged CN Shells fly very straight and in my testing I had reliable results when not using the center of the crosshair but instead the end of the lower crosshair bar to aim. Guarantee a hit on all ranges except the extremist, even when driving forward or backward.
If find ranged CN is now a very good gun, sure HE does 15 points more damage and double splash damage but Ranged Fires 50% faster, have 16 more rounds and does 2 points less heat. Not to mention its now even easier to hit with Ranged and harder with HE CN. Could now be a good gun for Cyclopean and Duststorm, beside as you all surely know its under Projectile Physics so you have direct access Reflective Armor and 50cal and DU MG. I say win win.

"High Explosive Cannon"

* "Cost" "25"
* "Cost" "80"

* "Speed" "3200" //speed of projectile
* "Speed" "3000" //speed of projectile

* "Gravity" "0.4" //effects of gravity on the projectile, only for projectiles
* "Gravity" "0.4125" //effects of gravity on the projectile, only for projectiles

* "Inertia" "2" //actually reverse to inertia, only applicable to cannons, artillery cannons, and grenades; affects how the speed of the vehicle affects the momentum of the projectile (higher inertia = vehicle speed will affect the trajectory of the projectile possibly causing it to veer off from a straight line or shoot farther or shorter)
* "Inertia" "2.5"

As you can see speed have been reduced what makes it more susceptible to gravity and the overall effect of gravity on the shell has been slightly increased.

"Plasma Cannon"

* "Cost" "25"
* "Cost" "50"

* "Damage" "45" //damage done by projectile
* "Damage" "40" //damage done by projectile

* "Heat" "16" //heat added per shot fired (100 total heat added to vehicle puts it in an overheated status).
* "Heat" "14" //heat added per shot fired (100 total heat added to vehicle puts it in an overheated status).

* "Explosion Radius" "300" //radius of damage sphere to hurt surrounding entities
* "Explosion Radius" "100" //radius of damage sphere to hurt surrounding entities

As with Plasma MG it is now even more useless than before. Bah

"Rail Gun"

* "Cost" "35"
* "Cost" "90"

* "Speed" "3500" //speed of projectile
* "Speed" "3600" //speed of projectile

* "Heat" "6" //heat added per shot fired (100 total heat added to vehicle puts it in an overheated status).
* "Heat" "8" //heat added per shot fired (100 total heat added to vehicle puts it in an overheated status).

* "Weight" "80" //weight in terms of effects on engine and weight restrictions for chassis
* "Weight" "120" //weight in terms of effects on engine and weight restrictions for chassis

Who changed the values must have been really a crunch with rail guns. 120 Weights LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Trash now, isn't it?
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Dragoon · Dec 21, 2008

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"smallArtilleryCannon"

* "Cost" "30"
* "Cost" "25"

* "Cycle Time" "2.0" //time between shots
* "Cycle Time" "1.0"

* "Reload Time" "9.0" //time to load one clip
* "Reload Time" "4.0"

As you will see, all Artillery Cannons have been significantly buffed up in RoF and Reload time. Rate of Fire doubled, reload time more than halved, that’s serious.

"medArtilleryCannon"

* "Cost" "35"
* "Cost" "50"

* "Cycle Time" "3.6" //time between shots
* "Cycle Time" "1.6"

* "Reload Time" "8.0" //time to load one clip
* "Reload Time" "5.0"

"High Explosive Artillery"

* "Cost" "76"
* "Cost" "75"

* "Cycle Time" "3.0" //time between shots
* "Cycle Time" "2.0"

* "Reload Time" "10.0" //time to load one clip
* "Reload Time" "7.0"

"Ranged Artillery Cannon"

* "Cost" "45"
* "Cost" "50"

* "Cycle Time" "3.0" //time between shots
* "Cycle Time" "2.0"

* "Reload Time" "6.0" //time to load one clip
* "Reload Time" "5.0"

"singleMissileLauncher"

* "Cost" "20"
* "Cost" "25"

"Upgraded Missile Launcher"

* "Cost" "30"
* "Cost" "65"

* "Damage" "70" //damage done by projectile
* "Damage" "75" //damage done by projectile

* "Clip Size" "5" //ammo loaded per reloads
* "Clip Size" "6" //ammo loaded per reloads

* "Projectile Spread" "0.75" //only applicable to machine guns at the moment
* "Projectile Spread" "0.5"

Not bad more damage and more ammo, respect.

"Biological Warhead"

* "Cost" "40"
* "Cost" "50"

* "Weight" "120" //weight in terms of effects on engine and weight restrictions for chassis
* "Weight" "80"

The reduction in Weight was so badly need, as I like to use it in escort as the weapons immediately removes all stamina and annoys infantry as hell.
As probably all BSID member agrees with me, it is more fun to annoy and piss off people than just to kill them.

* "Nuclear Warhead"
* "HIT Warhead"

* "HUD Name" "Nuke" //name displayed in the weapon area of the vehicle HUD
* "HUD Name" "HIT" //name displayed in the weapon area of the vehicle HUD

* "Description" "A dumb fire missile launcher with a nuclear warhead which inflicts excessive damage." //description given when selecting weapons
* "Description" "This weapon utilizes a High-Impulse Thermobaric warhead to deliver an intense pressure wave to its target, resulting in a more powerful explosion than is possible via conventional means. It is highly effective against both mobile and stationary targets." //description given when selecting weapons

* "Cost" "150"
* "Cost" "100"

* "Heat" "70" //heat added per shot fired (100 total heat added to vehicle puts it in an overheated status).
* "Heat" "50"

* "Heat To Target" "50" //heat added to target on hit (a small amount of heat is also added to the target based on damage, this is defined within the armor script)
* "Heat To Target" "40"

* "Explosion Radius" "2000" //radius of damage sphere to hurt surrounding entities
* "Explosion Radius" "1550"

"salvoMissileLauncher"

* "Cost" "30"
* "Cost" "40"

* "Reload Time" "6.0" //time to load one clip
* "Reload Time" "4.0" //time to load one clip

"guidedMissileLauncher"

* "Damage" "50" //damage done by projectile
* "Damage" "75" //damage done by projectile

* "Speed" "1000" //speed of projectile
* "Speed" "1200" //speed of projectile

* "Heat" "10" //heat added per shot fired (100 total heat added to vehicle puts it in an overheated status).
* "Heat" "8"

Huge improvement, its now definitively better than Upgraded Guided-ML with his twice as fast firing rate and less generated heat, the only imported differences is that it stops sooner following your crosshair.
Imaging using this in a NF Heavy, a NF heavy can carry two of these. Each has 4 Missiles per cartridge so for a total of 8 rockets before you have to reload.
It take 4 rockets to destory a turret, 18 to destory a building and 22 to destroy an heavy with 6 layers of reactive armor. With other words, you can destroy 2 LVL 3 Turrets with one reload or any building within 18 seconds for sure since buildings can't doge and it is impossible to miss thanks to guiding while not moving.

"Upgraded Guided ML"

* "Heat" "15" //heat added per shot fired (100 total heat added to vehicle puts it in an overheated status).
* "Heat" "10"

* "Cycle Time" "2.0" //time between shots
* "Cycle Time" "1.5" //time between shots

The only advantage over normal Guided Missles is that they do 80 instead of 75 damage better, slight turning ability and have a 50% high range before they not longer responds to your crosshair.
That is traded off with more heat, slower firing rate and reloads.

"homingMissileLauncher"

* "Cost" "30"
* "Cost" "50"

* "Damage" "60" //damage done by projectile
* "Damage" "75" //damage done by projectile

* "Speed" "1000" //speed of projectile
* "Speed" "2500" //speed of projectile

* "Heat" "12" //heat added per shot fired (100 total heat added to vehicle puts it in an overheated status).
* "Heat" "10"

* "Clip Size" "4" //ammo loaded per reloads
* "Clip Size" "6" //ammo loaded per reloads

* "Lock Range Modifier" "0.00126" //modifies lock on time based on range (as range increases, lock on time increases based on the modifier: modifier * range to target + lock on time = total lock on time)
* "Lock Range Modifier" "0.000805"

* "Turning Ability" "0.1" //determines how effective the missile can turn to home in on its target or guide itself to the crosshair for a guided missile; 1.0 means the missile can turn instantly towards its target, 0.0 and the missile doesn't turn at all
* "Turning Ability" "0.2"

The speed boost is great considering the turning ability is still shitty. I wonder if target-acquisition is still as unreliable as it was before.

"Upgraded Homing Missile Launcher"

* "Cost" "35"
* "Cost" "55"

* "Damage" "80" //damage done by projectile
* "Damage" "90" //damage done by projectile

* "Speed" "1100" //speed of projectile
* "Speed" "2000"

* "Heat" "16" //heat added per shot fired (100 total heat added to vehicle puts it in an overheated status).
* "Heat" "14"

* "Clip Size" "4" //ammo loaded per reloads
* "Clip Size" "6"s

* "Lock Range Modifier" "0.00126" //modifies lock on time based on range (as range increases, lock on time increases based on the modifier: modifier * range to target + lock on time = total lock on time)
* "Lock Range Modifier" "0.000805"

* "Turning Ability" "0.3" //determines how effective the missile can turn to home in on its target or guide itself to the crosshair for a guided missile; 1.0 means the missile can turn instantly towards its target, 0.0 and the missile doesn't turn at all
* "Turning Ability" "0.4"

Now thats is something to really consider, but I haven't test it yet, but FN198 said it rocks.

"salvoHomingMissileLauncher"

* "Cost" "35"
* "Cost" "50"

* "Heat" "15" //heat added per shot fired (100 total heat added to vehicle puts it in an overheated status).
* "Heat" "4"

* "Reload Time" "10.0" //time to load one clip
* "Reload Time" "5"

* "Lock Range Modifier" "0.00126" //modifies lock on time based on range (as range increases, lock on time increases based on the modifier: modifier * range to target + lock on time = total lock on time)
* "Lock Range Modifier" "0.000935"

* "Turning Ability" "0.08" //determines how effective the missile can turn to home in on its target or guide itself to the crosshair for a guided missile; 1.0 means the missile can turn instantly towards its target, 0.0 and the missile doesn't turn at all
* "Turning Ability" "0.2"

Obviously they fixed that weapons, but who need it anyway when you have can have homing missiles that weight 50 instead of 70. That is one extra layer of reactive armor!
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Crix · Dec 21, 2008

So now we don't have accurate machine guns and the Rail gun is trash?

oh boy

Dragoon · Dec 21, 2008

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"grenadeLauncher"

* "Cost" "10"
* "Cost" "25"

* "Explosion Radius" "200" //radius of damage sphere to hurt surrounding entities
* "Explosion Radius" "250" //radius of damage sphere to hurt surrounding entities

Three (each has 10 grenade per magazine) of these in an APC are still my favorite way for early building rape as 2 (6 grenades) salvos destroy a turret (actually takes 5 grenades) or 5 salvos plus one grenade for any building.

"Upgraded Grenade Launcher"

* "Cost" "20"
* "Cost" "50"

That concludes Vehicle Weapons

I wanted to also include Infantry weapons but I'm not longer in the mood, by be later.
But there are 3 thing I can say about them
Weapon Spread has been improved greatly for all weapons while damage has been reduced and if that wouldn't be enough a new value has been introduced.
(example taken from NF_rifle)
"Falloff" "1200" // distance at which bullet strength has dropped to 85% (damage decreases linearly) along with
"MinimalDamage" "12" // bullet will always deal this amount of damage even after damage decrease

From the mathematical point you can say that miserable combination of increased weapon spread together with reduced damage, particular from "Falloff"
takes out skill from gunfights and replaced it with luck and randomness. I don't think I have ever saw this in a 3D shooter before in 10 years of playing.
Putting your crosshair over your target is not longer enough you also need to cross you fingers.
If they had just increased weapons spread or just added falloff and leaving spread untouched it would reduced reasonable the deadliness of gunfights, but so...

With all these changes to guns, no wonder you see APC spamming these days so much. People want have a layer of armor between them and arbitrariness.
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-Mayama- · Dec 21, 2008

I had no problem in vehicle testing to rape enemys with dual plasma?!

Yes Rails are absolutly useless now

Whats with rockets (haha you are fast boy )

Dragoon · Dec 21, 2008

a 10000 character limit per post sucks. Anyway formatting fixed and Rockets are in Post #2

Starcitsura · Dec 22, 2008

Rails aren't useless, they just aren't the end all, be all like they used to be.
Its a support weapon as opposed to a main cannon

Chris0132' · Dec 22, 2008

Er, I think you missed the huge accuracy buff on the medium CG.

It's a really good gun now.

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