This is how trixy wins pugs and makes HSM leave this game forever

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  1. blizzerd

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  2. LordDz_2

    LordDz_2 Strange things happens here

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    Nah, he played quite a lot after that. :)
     
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    Trickster Retired Developer

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    Yeah he didn't leave then.

    Those games were really good because you had a whole week of planning and stuff resting on one single round of Empires. I took it pretty seriously and did my best to disrupt his team in the week leading up to the matches, I was pretty determined to win at any cost. In this case it meant encouraging certain high ranking members of his team to take command over HSM, hence all the mutiny stuff he's going on about. I lead them to believe that the team was already aware of the situation and everyone would back them. Instead it basically split the team into several pieces and they lost pretty badly.

    I'm sure there's a video somewhere of the actual game. Despite the image in the video the game was actually on emp_isle, it was the 2nd match in the series of very organised scrim games. Everyone joined a team (NF or BE) and they would play 1 single round on a Saturday for that team. There were no teamchanges (except after this particular game when certain players were no longer welcome on HSM's BE team) and a huge amount of planning went into each game, as there was just a single round. In the end my NF team won, losing only 2 games out of however many we played (8?)
     
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    i just came across this and wanted to share. The title is more an inside joke with trickster and a conv we had a couple days ago.
     
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    He Shall be Missed
     
  7. Ikalx

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    You know, it adds another dimension if you put auto-translate subs on :D

    But yeah that game was dumb, mostly because while HSM can be a stellar commander if he actually puts his mind to it, most of the time he'd rather shout, lose his cool, get twitchy about things and be exploited pretty easily by someone who knows what they're doing. In that match I think I had to turn voice chat way down, because after a while it was just him yelling.

    It doesn't help that the only thing that matters to him is the win.

    It's a shame really, because he's great and it's fun to play with a commander who can really rally the troops, but what I don't want is a big dog barking over the comms. And people would deliberately taunt him to get him to do that after a while. After that, things would just fall apart.

    Our 3 minute annihilation of Cpatton (I think?) in the first match was way overshadowed by the screaming in that 2nd(?) match there. Many people didn't want to play again, and I don't remember...but I don't think the league went the distance after that.
     
  8. Trickster

    Trickster Retired Developer

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    I can give a rough overview I think.

    First game was Slaughtered. It was basically a 2 hour Artillery nuke stalemate until NF (my team) eventually won out. Not a particularly great game though.

    Second game was Isle. During the week long run-up to this game I basically encouraged Cpatton and (by proxy) FN to take over leadership of BE because HSM was incapable. I insinuated I had made sure they had the backing of the rest of the team but this was a lie. Those 2 players were both the highest ranking "Lieutenants" FN had, so when they both turned on him once the game prep started, BE just fell apart, hence HSM going on about tumours and cysts and shit. He wanted Recon to boot them from the server.

    Third game was Mvalley. After the drama of Isle, it backfired in the sense that I had to take Cpatton on to my team instead. At the time I rated him pretty highly and decided I'd let him take the reins for that week. He made loads of bullshit drawings and plans and "stage 2, stage 3" etc. I just let him go with it. He didn't send anyone to scout out the enemy mid movements and didn't even check the bridge. BE won that game in less than 3 minutes by just walking from main to main and stickybombing him while taking out the rax. This was the last time I allowed Cpatton to be in charge. That game from Jephir's perspective on BE can be seen here.

    After this I lose track of exactly what order things played out. I think game 4 was on Cyclopean and I was away on a school Ski trip at the time, so I met with a couple of people, drew up a plan and Blizzy then did it all up in neat. This was that plan. While I didn't play, my team won pretty hard by all accounts.

    The following week I wasn't going to be able to attend either. There arguments on the forums throughout the week with regard to maps. Evan had suggested we play emp_shadows (loop version) but HSM put his foot down and said no customs, so instead everyone was forced to play emp_urbanchaos (a lot fewer paths than our current version and turrets/walls weren't limited anywhere). I didn't play as I had just returned from France after a 28 hour coach drive, but by all accounts it lasted just shy of 4 hours until the server ended up crashing. More than 50% of the game was done at 0 tickets a side (no sudden death back then). It was pretty fucking horrendous. I later used this to get HSM removed because I legitimately felt like he was ruining the league.

    After that HSM relented, or got booted, I can't remember. Either way we played emp_bush (custom at the time) and my team lost, I remember Daruck using our last resources which we'd recycled buildings for in hope of an APC, buying an LT and immediately flipping it, and thus losing us the game. I was pretty fucking upset. At some point around here HSM did get removed as BE leader and FN took over. We played a game on emp_homeland but by this point BE's attendance was dropping and interest was waning, so that was the last game.

    They're still arguably the most fun games I played just purely based on the amount of drama they generated. It all took place on a separate forum to this one and the amount of shit each side threw at eachother was pretty horrendous, but at the time I fucking loved it. Generally speaking, HSM is probably the best pure-pub commander there was. He could take a team of newbies or just underksilled players and just apply them towards an objective because everyone would listen to him. Unfortunately he was never that smart as far as commanding actually went, so once you were in a scrim/pug scenario with competent players on both sides and a relatively intelligent commander to play against, he fell a bit flat because he just wasn't that strategically minded.

    These games happened over 7 years ago, but the fact that I and quite a few others still remember them is a testament to how much fun they were. Definitely some of the best Empires times I've had.
     
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    Oh man, I miss the amount of planning and thoughts that went behind each of those games. Best part of the game.
     
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    Was it really that order? I was so sure mvalley happened before that crap on Isle... To be honest, part of the reason Empires didn't, doesn't, and hasn't done so well, is because a lot of people would rather have the drama than the game. Which is a shame, because the window for Empires to do really well has closed now. There's really only two chances it has left, if Krenzo (or someone) comes back with money to develop the game, or it's ported to a newer engine with a lot of users and doesn't get buried in the listings.
     
  11. Z100000M

    Z100000M Vithered Weteran

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    Of all this i remember the cpatton mvalley fiasco and that urbanchaos game. Jesus fuck that game in retrospect.
     
  12. blizzerd

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    the gilded age of empires
     
  13. McGyver

    McGyver Experimental Pedagogue

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    OH MY GOD!
     
  14. blizzerd

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    they arent even the oldest games i remember. I vividly remember actually playing with mootant for example.
     
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    Trickster Retired Developer

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    MOOtant played a lot in the 2.25-2.29 period though, which wasn't as long ago as these pugs.
     
  16. LordDz_2

    LordDz_2 Strange things happens here

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    MOOtant, artillery and emp_money. I still have bad memories.
     
  17. blizzerd

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    >actually

    playing

    like he said things, and we played together and shit, and he wasn't made of pure hate yet
     
  18. Z100000M

    Z100000M Vithered Weteran

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    Mootant hasnt played shit since arty was removed from escort.
     

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