This is getting out of hand.

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  1. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    This is getting pretty out of hand. The inconsistency of abuse and shit getting flung at me just because it's me is getting ridiculous.

    I just got banned for dodging gags because I was arguing with destroyer and wealthysoup about how 9 mining was never intended. This came up because I was so called exploiting the map on slaughtered by walking up the hill where you should not walk up. ( E1 u can walk up ). After they warned me told me and threatened me to get off and not do a single thing I got off and did not a single thing. Then I went to spec and argued about it being or not being an exploit. They defined an exploit as "a non intended feauture" so I brought up how 9 mining was a non intended feature that became one, did some flaming here and there and got gagged several times, ofcourse I dodged the gags cause it's ridiculous to get gagged for discussing how 9 mine was or was not an exploit and how I was or was not exploiting. I got banned for "mic spamming" midst discussion.

    I confronted reznov on steam that banning me for mic spamming ----> Discussing exploiting and 9 mining is not a legitimate reason so he decided to change my ban into general assholery and exploiting. This is totally unwaranted for cause I did not exploit anything according to me and if they felt I was, they shouldve banned me right there on the spot, but they did not. Instead they warned me and I got off, then they banned me for mic spamming and when he realised it was a shit reason he decided to ban me for exploiting which I did not continue doing. And even if I did keep walking on the hills I had no impact what so ever on the game. Any arguments about not having an impact doesn't count cause teams were stacked 25-22 so me being there and participating or not wouldn't have mattered.

    I feel like the abuse I get stems from me being a retard and asshole all around but just because I'm Paradox and not another asshole flamer what the fuck ever I Get to have admin abuse thrown at my face and noone cares. The inconsistency in justice is staggering and is getting really obnoxious.

    It's even worse cause another time on slaughtered when it was CV sudden death and plenty of admins and veterans were online I did the same fucking thing, except then competition was higher and people wanted to win really badly. I did the same so called exploit and I killed enemy comm when sudden death timer hit 0 with an rpg launched from the hill at e4. This time people and admins cheered about how we won in this impossible situation. And I'm pretty goddamn sure trickster reznov and a few others were there. + who hasnt dodged a gag or who hasnt flamed other people.


    Tl;Dr Getting banned for stuff people have done in the past and cheered about
     
  2. ImSpartacus

    ImSpartacus nerf spec plz

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    And rightfully so.

    If you circumvent a mod's actions, you get the hammer. It's pretty simple.
     
  3. Spike

    Spike Long Live The King!

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    admins of empires are idiots if they were "good" admins they wouldn't have to use there powers as much or abuse it
     
  4. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    Exactly my point, people consistently during all times of empires have been dodging gags but not been banned. And just because I'm paradox I get to be banned. This is exception is the rule except paradox is the exception to the exception of the rule.
     
  5. FN198

    FN198 Member

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    I'm pretty sure you deserve all of the attention.
     
  6. D.D.D. Destroyer

    D.D.D. Destroyer Member Staff Member Moderator

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    I'd like to remind you that you were banned for a mere hour a few days ago after exploiting on emp_money. You and a couple other people (Reznov, Kira, BloodRaven) would jump down to the ledge just above the water on the NF side and farm squad points, which you later used to spam squad arty on a stunned CV.

    Then today, you were climbing the E1 hill on emp_slaughtered. That is clearly exploiting. After a slay or kick (or just a warning I can't remember) you ceased that and proceeded to argue that this isn't exploiting and as such not an offence - if I were you, I'd read the article I linked. Climbing the E1 hill was not something that was intended by the original mapmaker, which means it is straight up an exploit.

    9mines, however, are not. Even though you tried to argue against that, since it popped up (allegedly) unintentionally, On that, I'd like you to read the "Response" paragraph. 9mines were "embraced as emergent gameplay" years ago and as such are no longer an exploit. 9mining the APC over the locked gate on emp_Escort is a particular use of the mechanic and that is exploiting. A little murky, but if you have trouble with this, I point you to the "Controversy" paragraph.

    After that, you were gagged to cease the unnecessary drama that was unveiling because of your lack of knowledge and completely refusing to acknowledge what me, Wealthy and Reznov were trying to tell you. You then proceeded to avoid the gagging by repeatedly rejoining the server just to get gagged again, until you were finally banned for an hour.

    You later went on to complain to Reznov or Wealthy (or both?) that this was completely unfair and so on and so forth and your ban was lengthened to a mere four hours.

    You have been caught exploiting twice in under a week and got away with just two hour-long bans (which are basically food breaks), which you managed to lengthen due to your further misbehaviour against admins. A repeated offence earned you no extended ban duration, which was laughably short just to begin with - any other community would have you banned for a day, a week, maybe longer given your later admin insulting.

    And yet you dare come to the forums and complain about admins abusing their powers on poor small you. Nobody else caused as much trouble as you in the entire time I was on the server, and I spend a couple hours every day playing Empires nowadays. Your actions are completely unfounded, and I am genuinely surprised that you still are part of this community. This just shows how little actual moderation happens in here.

    If your pitiful four-hour ban gets shortened or absolved, this will just show that a) you have nothing to complain about and b) the complete depotism that is in play will continue leading us into a smaller and smaller community until we finally completely dissolve.

    This doesn't absolve you of your crimes, it merely shows the incompetence on the admin side of things. Nobody is perfect and I will be first to admit it, but if you steal candy from a shop and don't get caught the first time doesn't mean it's allowed to just take shit from it without paying. Same goes for dodging gags or flaming - if you don't get punished for doing that excessively, you're not allowed to keep doing it, the admins have to get their shit together (or be there in the first place).
     
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  7. Candles

    Candles CAPTAIN CANDLES, DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUN DUN.

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    Harsh. But yeah, in comparison to almost every other gaming community out there, the Empires one is really hesitant on banning people.

    Plus, you've been playing this game how long? I never understood what's with vets thinking they can get away with more shit because they've been playing longer. If anything, it should be the other way around; new players should almost never get banned and vets should be likely to get banned because they know the rules, they know what's allowed and what isn't, they know what counts as an exploit and what doesn't. Yes, on occasion a vet will come back after a while and the rules they once knew will have changed, but that's the exception.
     
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  8. BigTeef

    BigTeef Bootleg Headshot master

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    I agree.

    Kills don't mean shit and you calling other people crap because they don't have a positive KD is Cod behavior and last I checked we are not fucking call of duty.
    Your elitism attitude has been a pain in the ass on the community for fucking years and now you just realized how much of a headache you are.

    Please, do us a favor and shut the fuck up until you can learn some genuine manners or get out, because it's only a matter of time until you are forced out.

    Because banning means something in this game, because a ban means you are gone permanently.
    There are isn't any other server.

    There is EPIC and VIPER besides the testing servers and the practice one, we can stop people from playing our game anytime by simply doing ip bans.
    Then they have to live in exile of empires because thier account will not be recognized and they will be forced to use other steam accounts if they want to play.
     
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  9. D.D.D. Destroyer

    D.D.D. Destroyer Member Staff Member Moderator

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    The only admin power usage I saw in the past few days was changing maps from infantry stuff and chain (when EPIC server's mapcycle was borked) and kicks/gags/bans concerning Paradox and co. exploiting. This is hardly abuse. Get your facts straight and quote some instead of providing nothing but complaints.



    He's just salty because he finally got what was coming to him, I doubt that's much of a realisation.
     
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  10. ImSpartacus

    ImSpartacus nerf spec plz

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    Are you a mod on VIPER or EPIC? You should be. We need more mods that aren't interested in fucking around and want to keep shit consistent and fair.
     
  11. Ikalx

    Ikalx Member

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    When are people going to learn that a bad reputation is like a criminal record. The stink's gonna follow you everywhere you go - regardless of whether you're being good or bad.
     
  12. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    tl;dr destroyer said the same story what I said and didnt get the point
     
  13. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    I did the e1 walking thing because noone ever complained about it, I have done it in over a dozen games with plenty of vets online with noone complaining or saying a word but encouraging it thus my outrage when they complain about it being an exploit when again like I said I used it in a sudden death game where I won the game and got cheered at for doing so.
     
  14. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    So many people do so many exploits but constantly get away with it, even publicly saying they are exploitingm -> people going under the fucking map always the vets ( Even the admins) and then its perfectly okay, but when paradox does it its not = inconsitent as fuck
     
  15. Lawliet

    Lawliet Member

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    1. Walking up the hill on slaughtered? I always thought it wasn't an exploit since the map maker intended it (I'm looking at you Varbles).

    2. Arguing with admins over rules? Sure it's against VIPERs rules but it really isn't against EPIC's.

    3. Farming squad points on money? There aren't any rules against farming squad points (on epic) but you did exploit the map. It was intended for the water to kill you.


    So let's look at the rules you did break on EPIC according to the motd.

    Code:
    1. Don't be a dick
    
    2. Use common sense
    
    3. Teamwork is not optional

    1. You're being a dick by arguing with admins
    2. A common sense player would have obviously not exploited on money.
    3. You are being a team player, and I applaud you for that. But you aren't participating with the team as a whole rather you are playing amongst a squad of players.



    Other shit you did wrong: Posting on the forums to solve your issues. In a way I can assume you're trying to gain supporters and overthrew the reign of our great leader Trickster, he'll lead us to the moon eventually once he invents rockets.

    If you have a problem, please refer to the server's forums, and not the Empires forums. If you want to appeal your ban, click the following link and create a new topic.

    http://epic-empires.co.uk/index.php/board,40.0.html


    //////// My issues with EPIC

    1. There are too many people with admin on EPIC. The list should be cleansed and filtered.
    2. More rules on the MOTD (I for one would like to adopt some of VIPERs rules, most likely to make your ban more justified)
    3. Should be renamed to Empires Main Server [EU].


    EDIT: Get on steam you fucking faggot
     
  16. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    I'm on my alt I added u there
     
  17. D.D.D. Destroyer

    D.D.D. Destroyer Member Staff Member Moderator

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    If this was actually a thing and not an exploit you would see that path used literally in every game by BE to take out NF's most secure location, and NF can't do shit about ti and only defend whatever you throw at them. This is not balanced, this is not intentional, this is an exploit.

    Now I'm sure someone like spike will raise the point that you can climb the hill from the NF side, but you have to abuse the turret building mechanic to do so, which is also an exploit.

    Also nice job completely ignoring my entire post. How about you try to raise some counterarguments, or actually read what I wrote (beginning with the Wikipedia link, which you must've omitted) and see how drastically different the two stories are.

    I won't even mention the multiple posts, because the edit button is clearly so hard to find.

    @Spartacus: Trickster told me to stop spamming him with "can i have admin" and Vicki only gives admin powers to recommended people. It's a closed clique no matter which way you go from.
     
  18. 101010

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    Can't really call walking up the hill on slaughtered exploiting. It's a dick move but not really an exploit. You couldn't do it before the map got updated. So kind of shows the mapper lowered that spot to allow it to be walked up. slaughtered and bush should Customer be removed from rotation until they are fixed.
    This is why I posted that there should be some guidelines. How is walking an exploit ?
    If a map has a defect fix it or remove it.

    As for 9 mining has been around since before most of the maps. At least before the current revisions. Mappers know about 9 mining and have the ability to prevent vehicles from being 9 mined over walls.

    Circumventing the gag....it's kind of a dick move to slay/kick someone then gag them. Only option they have to dispute admin action is posting on the servers forums. Not sure if epic is different but no one is ever on vipers.

    The main problem is EVERY admin seems to have a different definition of what exploiting is.
     
  19. Señor_Awesome

    Señor_Awesome Member

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    This thread went great with cheese (and crackers). I seriously was eating cheese and crackers as I read this so don't hate me for implying you are a whiner...

    It is widely accepted (or it was last time I checked) that the hill on Slaughtered is an exploit, despite any intentions otherwise - though several vets disagree and have been known to use it more often than not. It would probably be for the best if people who used it in the future received short bans (thirty minutes to an hour, maybe) if they did not stop after a warning, so that people would stop doing it altogether.

    As for the reason you got banned, I can't say whether it was unjustified or not, but I'm not sure the best way of dealing with it was to come here and make a thread - as Lawliet said.

    My two cents.
     
  20. Sgt.Security

    Sgt.Security Member

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    That alone, is enough for a ban.

    Paradox, I was there when you exploited and won the game.

    We didn't ban you, that's simply because no one noticed you.
    I did think of the possibility, because I know about that exploit, but I didn't see you directly, hence no action taken.

    Now, thanks for turning yourself in, I didn't know you were exploiting.
     
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