The Politics Thread

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  1. Space_Oddity

    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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  2. Space_Oddity

    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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    From Reddit:

    Is it that time again?

    /sigh

    Okay. Update in progress...

    "He's totally not, like, a dictator, believe me folks!"

    [Donald Trump wants to take Iraq's oil.](https://www.salon.com/2017/01/24/ir...says-he-wants-to-re-invade-to-take-their-oil/)

    [Donald Trump is making enemies lists.](http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/omarosa-list-donald-trump/)

    [Donald Trump is calling his critics "enemies."](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...eat-way-of-bypassing-mainstream-a7539006.html)

    [Donald Trump is keeping his own security force.](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-securitys-use-of-force-questioned-234396)

    [Donald Trump wants the Army to target civilians.](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...errorists-you-have-to-take-out-their-families)

    [Donald Trump would *make* the Army target civilians.](http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/3/donald-trump-says-hed-force-us-military-commit-war/)

    [Donald Trump wants to expand domestic surveillance.](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...ides-with-rubio-over-cruz-in-nsa-surveillance)

    [Donald Trump wants to make it easier to sue the press.](http://billmoyers.com/story/trumps-threat-first-amendment/)

    [Donald Trump wants to cut back our intelligence agencies.](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._to_cut_back_cia_because_too_politicized.html)

    [Donald Trump thinks security takes precedence over privacy.](http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/17/11031910/donald-trump-apple-encryption-backdoor-statement)

    [Donald Trump is undermining the legitimacy of the court system.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...american-court-system/?utm_term=.924cd11884e0)

    [Donald Trump is threatening journalists for unfavorable reporting.](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...for-reporting-size-of-inauguration-crowd.html)

    [Donald Trump is threatening to enact martial law in American cities.](http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/01...nd-in-the-feds-if-chicago-doesnt-fix-carnage/)

    [Donald Trump needs the names of people working on climate change.](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-climate-idUSKBN1421V0)

    [Donald Trump thinks the 1st Amendment offers too much protection.](https://thinkprogress.org/trump-first-amendment-too-much-protection-37e72ee16ea2#.lqjm79u30)

    [Donald Trump needs the names of people working on gender equality.](http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...dept-to-name-those-working-on-gender-equality)

    [Donald Trump offered to "destroy the career" of a Texas state Senator.](http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...career-of-texas-state-senator-at-meeting-with)

    [Donald Trump is undermining and telling lies to delegitimize the media.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ist-attacks/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.ff06c6caeaa7)

    [Donald Trump will prevent administration officials from appearing on CNN.](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/white-house-no-cnn)

    [Donald Trump is banning a religion from immigrating to the United States.](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/d...orders-iraq-iran-libya-restrict-a7544566.html)

    [Donald Trump is going to publish a list of crimes committed by immigrants.](https://www.indy100.com/article/trump-weekly-list-immigrants-crimes-7547211)

    [Donald Trump is appointing unqualified cronies to national cabinet positions.](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/...gNews&contentID=64887255&pgtype=Homepage&_r=0)

    [Donald Trump is seeking the ability to purge the government of non-loyalists.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...lists-takes-shape_us_586f9b3ee4b08052400ee18c)

    [Donald Trump is freezing federal agencies from communicating through twitter.](http://time.com/4645559/donald-trump-epa-social-media-blackout/)

    [Donald Trump is using his position as President to make money for his businesses.](http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...trump-tower-is-another-step-into-ethical-murk) [(2)](https://thinkprogress.org/trump-mar...profit-off-presidency-92f33bf9f7fb#.c95gdmv3c)

    [Donald Trump is presenting "alternative facts" (lying) to the American people.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/22/opinions/alternative-facts-lies-obeidallah-opinion/index.html) [*(2*](http://www.vox.com/world/2017/2/2/14494478/bowling-green-massacre), [*3*](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-makes-up-atlanta-islamist-attack.html), [*4*](http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02...-admits-court-100000-impacted-muslim-ban.html), [5)](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-wrongly-says-cnn-cut-bernie-sanders-c/)

    [Donald Trump needs the names of State Department employees working on extremism.](http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/24/politics/donald-trump-state-department/)

    [Donald Trump has fired the acting Attorney General for "betraying the State Department."](http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/polit...ration-order-department-of-justice/index.html)

    [Donald Trump is completely ignoring communications from the Office of Government Ethics.](https://thinkprogress.org/trump-business-ethics-129d508178c9#.lbmsmmsia)

    [Donald Trump is allowing his chief strategist to destroy or prevent a White House paper trail.](https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/01/3...s-no-white-house-paper-trail-trump-president/)

    [Donald Trump wanted to oust all inspectors general to remove ethics oversight over government agencies.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...485966740129&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.6b90f6811dd4)

    [Donald Trump has removed the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff's permanent seat on the National Security Council.](http://www.npr.org/2017/01/30/51248...tional-security-council-has-a-very-big-change)

    [Donald Trump has given Steve Bannon, an alt-right white nationalist, a permanent seat on the National Security Council.](http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-is-just-a-puppet-steve-bannon-is-president)

    [Donald Trump insulted Australia, an ally of the United States, and may have threatened to invade Mexico, also an ally of the United States.](http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/donald-trump-hangs-australia-threatens-invade-mexico)

    Updates for the week ending February 16th, 2017:

    [Donald Trump only supports transparency when it's working to his benefit.](http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/16/politics/donald-trump-russia-leaks-wikileaks/)

    [Donald Trump is dismantling anti-discrimination protections for at-risk students.](https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/02/...t-days-after-claiming-to-support-lgbt-rights/)

    [Donald Trump's chief advisor is using her position to push Trump branded products.](http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/09/politics/kellyanne-conway-ivanka-trump-white-house/index.html)

    [Donald Trump is showing no regard for the handling of delicate classified information.](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-football-nuclear-missile-house-a7580541.html)

    [Donald Trump is demanding apologies from news organizations that report on WH leaks.](http://thehill.com/homenews/319818-...eaking-has-been-big-problem-in-washington-for)

    [Donald Trump is frustrated that he is unable to govern the same way that he ran his businesses.](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...le-limits-white-house-executive-a7573601.html)

    [Donald Trump is only taking questions from pro-administration news agencies at press conferences.](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-calls-conservative-outlets-three-press-conferences)

    [Donald Trump withheld important national security information from the Vice President and the rest of his team.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...63470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.7868e6d8f4fb)

    [Donald Trump's campaign may have been working with another nation to effect the outcome of a democratic election.](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html)

    [Donald Trump's policy advisor is warning that the that the President's national security policy "will not be questioned."](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ill-not-be-questioned/?utm_term=.a228c4c898ff)
     
  3. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

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    is disney required to keep him on their payroll if they think its conflicts with CSR?
    did someone force the guy to publish the video?

    and dont tell me the poor guy didnt know about the shock value of "death to all jews".
    high stakes, he lost, bad luck, cry me a river, no sympathies.
     
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  4. Deiform

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    He doesn't want sympathy. This, again, is like talking to a certain 'someone' about something they haven't researched. You're judging someone based on something you know the bare minimum of. The issue isn't that Disney and Youtube dropped him, the issue is that the media misrepresented him and forced an issue when there was none.
     
  5. flasche

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    oh, in the meanwhile i watched the video, i read the article (they btw didnt say he would be an antisemite as he claims) and i also watched his reply. i stand by what i just posted, i try to put some effort in selecting my words and i dont have 53mio subscribers. (i even use the dictionary a lot so i make sure i know all the words and only use the best words)

    high stakes, he lost.

    though i doubt it will hurt him much. he wil gain popularity among those who he allegedly despise.
     
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    Sounds like you're implying that you think he is an anti-semite. I guess this is down to whether or not you think you ('you' as in anyone) can joke about anything.
     
  7. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

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    oh please tell me, with what exact words did i imply that? because i said allegedly? the german translation of allegedly means "something someone said".

    if the words is wrong in this context, pick the one you like more http://www.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/angeblich.html (and please tell i want to learn)
     
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  8. Deiform

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    I would say that allegedly implies 50-50 that he does or does not support the hate groups that are supporting him. I guess intonation helps and as I assumed you had a negative opinion from past posts, it carried to this one. I am biased since I have friends that live in Brighton and end up bumping into him all the time so I hear a bit more about him and the kinds of things he does. I don't see any reason to believe that he supports hate groups, there's no evidence to say that he does.
     
  9. flasche

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    its not my very first contact with him but the first videos i fully watched, so i simply dont know. i give him full benefit of doubt. his dealing with such matters seems highly unprofessional though. i see a (actually quite big) difference in whether you talk to your close friends or an audience of 53mio people. you might not believe it, but even i make racist jokes when im among close friends where im certain about their views. if im not a 100% sure how such jokes are understood i simply dont, there really is no need to. there also was no need to use "death to all jews" to prove his point in this instance.

    also ofc its all about disney bailing, and he losing money. his whiny reply clearly shows, he didnt even have the decency to just admit it was wrong without instantly relativizing and portraying himself as the victim here. what was critizised was his lax dealing with antisemitism, not him being an antisemite like he claims.

    and wheter if it was out of context doesnt matter, there is absolutely no reason to believe his audience would understand it in context. thats the difference between private and public speech.

    and if like he claims despises hate groups, again benefit of doubt, he did himself no favor with the reply either.
     
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  10. Space_Oddity

    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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    Well I don't think it was wrong either. The death to jews joke was pretty funny. I don't understand why he didn't do himself a favor against the hate groups as he publicly denounced them and wrote a blog post saying he didn't support them either. I'm not actually sure what you're supposed to do when you accidentally get a hate group praising you (*ahem* Trump - KKK) apart from try to say that you don't support them.

    Just because a certain group of people take comedy literally, doesn't mean that you can't make jokes about it. You can't start banning areas of comedy because there's weird people around.
     
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    Did you watch the video or are you just going off the WSJ because the context of that joke is what makes it not that offensive.

    Also, this is blowing up quite big. #Youtubegate amirite?
     
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    You're seriously still trying to go on about DIsney and antisemitism? Are you seriously labeling a group FOR LIFE? Jesus man, people change. Companies change.

    Believe it or not, antisemitism back in the 1930's-40's was actually WIDELY popular.
     
  14. Space_Oddity

    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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    No.
     
  15. flasche

    flasche Member Staff Member Moderator

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    yes i did, thus i could argue, "it was not necessary to use 'death to all jews' to prove his point in this instance"

    you still failed to answer, what makes you think disney is not entitled to drop him, because they think it offends their corporate policy? what is blown up is that this would touch freedom of speech. is he being prosecuted?
     
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    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    fuck man
    I love it so bad when people get called out on their bullshit alternative facts.
    Its like this forum, but this time I get to see their face when they piss their pants.

    http://i.imgur.com/Jqo3Ad0.gifv

    "Oh, the irony of this. He is having a press conference complaining the press reports on fake news. Then, in the same damn press conference, he flat out lies about his electoral college margin. He's not even man enough to take the blame, and he just a throws some unnamed person under the bus."
     
  18. Space_Oddity

    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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    That gifv is fake news.
     
  19. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    your source is so biased and MSM saying my fake news is fake. SAD!
     
  20. Space_Oddity

    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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    You are not me therefore you are not allowed to comment on me.
     

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