Status of the League

Discussion in 'General' started by Evan, May 9, 2008.

  1. Evan

    Evan League Commissioner

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    Hello.

    The League I've been running for the last few years has been pretty dramatic because it is difficult to appease everyone. On the league forums, people have stated they have pretty much given up on Season 2. They are also giving input in the form of suggestions for Season 3. I support this. It'd be good to have additional input from the people who are unhappy with the current structure so the next season can be remedied.

    Perhaps we can formalize some sort of council to make decisions on future rule changes. Maybe 1 representative per participating clan.

    Link: http://www.empiresleague.com/community/index.php?topic=250.0

    @Dizzy - In the tester forum you mentioned integrating the league into the mod itself. If you are interested in doing that, please contact me and we can begin development work on that. I am asking you to contact me because I am interested in contributing to it.
     
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  2. nebajoth

    nebajoth Member

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    I would suggest this:

    1) a council of representatives from each PARTICIPATING CLAN is selected each season. That means if you're not participating in a given season, you don't get a vote.

    2) The council can make rule changes with a vote. I dunno whether that should be unanimous or majority-only.
     
  3. Cyber-Kun

    Cyber-Kun Member

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    My suggestion is make the league democratic.
    The current leadership is bad and needs a cleaning.
    We can't do that with the current league government.
     
  4. recon

    recon SM Support Dev

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    How about an event calendar that allows clan members to vote on dates and times so that it's easier to organize a match?
     
  5. Lala

    Lala Member

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    If they excuse please, but we are clan more on fun than on points is laid out! And if one has leute like Dark terror in team which join SECRETLY another clan, we can start with those nothing! TeamSpeak he has never been of use, only finish speaking etc. What should we play in a league in which only people are since at least 1.07 and have bulky erfahrungen? I see that you have come along a lot of work with your league, but the question is, for what? From JPL a post is in it while it arises that all clan were demanded. Where were we demanded (z4g)? Never! We were demanded only by days where we had accepted quite other Wars for other SpieleMods! We the last week a server for the were from clan versus Ghost gesponsort will have here also totally forgotten. Now my question: Why should we play a were in a league where anyhow already prejudices about certain people exist? At that time I, Zesi, can apologise only sometimes, for my action!!!!! However, I do not see to let fall out other FunWars/Wars only for an EmpiresWar where is already certain in From the outset that we lose (We can handle with defeats, because we are a fun clan). Here it is also forgotten that we have put a server with the new version of Escort. And on comments, like from Bitchslap, is able to z4g. renounce! MFG Zesi

    -> Translate with Abacho !

    German:

    Entschuldigen sie bitte, aber wir sind ein clan der mehr auf Spaß als auf Punkte ausgelegt ist! Und wenn man leute wie Dark Terror im team hat, die HEIMLICH einen anderen Clan beitreten, mit denen können wir nichts anfangen!
    TeamSpeak hat er nie genutzt, nur ausreden etc.
    Was sollen wir in einer Liga, in der nur Leute sind, die seit mindestens 1.07 spielen und massig erfahrungen haben? Ich sehe ein, dass du dir mit deiner Liga sehr viel Arbeit gemacht hast, aber die Frage ist, für was? Von JPL steht ein Post drin indem hervorgeht, dass alle Clans gefordert wurden.

    Wo wurden wir gefordert (z4g)? Niemals!

    Wir wurden nur zu Tagen gefordert, wo wir schon andere Wars für andere SpieleMods angenommen hatten!

    Das wir letzte Woche einen Server für den War vom @-clan vs. Ghost gesponsort haben wird hier auch total vergessen.

    Nun meine Frage:

    Warum sollten wir einen War in einer Liga spielen, wo eh schon Vorurteile über gewisse Leute bestehen?

    Ich, Zesi, kann mich nur noch mal entschuldigen, für meine Aktion damals!!!!!

    Jedoch sehe ich nicht ein, andere FunWars/Wars ausfallen zu lassen nur für einen EmpiresWar, wo schon im Vornherein feststeht, dass wir verlieren (Wir können mit Niederlagen umgehen, da wir ein Funclan sind).

    Hier wird auch vergessen, dass wir einen Server mit der neuen Version von Escort gestellt haben.
    Und auf Kommentare, wie von Bitchslap, kann z4g. verzichten!

    MFG

    Zesi
     
  6. Silk

    Silk Mapper

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    I only see one big problem ==> low amount of players ==> low amount of big enough clans that are interested

    If there were like 10 or more clans who can field about 10 players for a clan match, clans would fight many different teams of fresh opponents and new tactics. Most clans will want to beat a certain clan (not all clans will get along), and others do not want to be last ==> competitive behavior on a larger scale.

    Now it is jpl vs cw and cw vs jpl 90% of the time (which have pretty predictable outcomes).

    - You want a succesfull league, you'll need more dedicated clans.
    - I am against clans voting for the rules. The league should be controlled entirely by its leaders. Clans can of course always suggest stuff on the forum. The goal is to have as much clans as possible, democracy will slow things down tremendously for something as trivial as getting 2 teams fight eachother
    - Rules should be fair from start, and never change during the entire season. The next season should be used to make changes. Not the current one.
     
  7. theotherjms

    theotherjms Developer

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    Corrected translation:

    Sorry people, but we are a clan that's focused more on fun than competition. And if you have people like DarkTerror on your team who SECRETLY join another clan, they don't belong in our clan!
    [DarkTerror] never used TeamSpeak, only gave excuses etc.

    What's the point for us to join a league in which there are only people who play since 1.07 and have a lot more experience?
    I can see that you [he probably means Evan, but I'm not sure] have put a lot of work into the league, but the question is: for what?
    There is a post from [a] JPL [member] that suggests all clans have been asked to participate in the league [I'm guessing on that last one]

    When have we (z4g) been asked? Never!

    Clan matches with us have only been scheduled [guessing again] for days when we already had matches in other games / mods scheduled.

    People seem to have forgotten that we made our server available for a @ vs. Ghost clan match.

    Now my question is:
    Why should we play in a league with people who are already prejudiced against us?

    I, Zesi, can only apologize for my actions.

    But I don't see why we should cancel a scrim/match because of an Empires match where we don't stand a chance (we can handle defeats because we are a fun oriented clan)

    People seem to have forgotten that we also provided an Escort test server.

    And comments like the ones from Bitchslap are not necessary.

    Cheers
    Zesi



    NOTE: This translation was provided to you as a service, for easier understanding and training of my translating skills. I, the other JMS, am not affiliated with the z4g clan or Zesi and, in fact, do not know what the fuck he is talking about.
     
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  8. Lala

    Lala Member

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    thx for translation Pro! :D
     
  9. Lollum

    Lollum Tester++

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    Hah. Let those things out of a league discussion.
    And btw... I joined Ghost because of some GOOD reasons. Some of them are:
    I play often with them. But I have almost never played with YOU. Your clan seems to be 99,8% inactive.
    Also, your clan seems to be not that organised... well, I actually wouldnt mind, but if its a chaos like THIS... meh. I dont blame you. I dont blame your members. Dont get me wrong - but after a few weeks after I joined your clan, I had the feeling that I wont be able to extend my skills (especially in terms of teamwork) while being in this clan.
    The thing with the TS-server: Its not my fault that my mic broke and I wasnt able to buy a new one. I am so sorry that money doesnt grow on trees. However, I am a very quiet person anyways. I prefer writing.

    And dont misunderstand Bitchslap - I dunno what happened, but I guess he just made a joke and you got it wrong.

    If you think you are too unexperienced - just play some more. You will see that your experience will increase almost quickly. And if you play long enough, you will be able to reach the level of the other more experienced clans. League matches and scrims are the best methods to train btw. And if someone doesnt challenge you - why dont YOU challenge THEM?
    EDIT: I just remember one thing. The ghost-clan challenged you for a match - but you couldnt bring enough members.

    My last point is - what do you mean by prejudices? I dont know of any.

    (An little advice: Never use something like abacho or some other machine to translate something into English - those machines often pick the right word in terms of what it is in German - but not the actual meaning of it. If you just make one mistake when writing a word, the meaning of your sentence can change incredibly much. You can also ask me to translate something.)

    I know what happened inside your clan. Cheer up. Better times are coming.
     
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  10. -Mayama-

    -Mayama- MANLY MAN BITCH

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    I think the problem for clans like z4g is the imense gap between the clans
    skillwise. But ive seen many members of those "unskilled" clans not willing
    to learn how to play the game so you can win.

    Empires is not a mod in which a "fun" clan has any chance. In a deathmatch
    orientated game like css you can always counter tactics with superior aim but
    in empires are tactics and strategy > than aim.
     
  11. Lala

    Lala Member

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    well if you meinung are in such a way is, then it should go to seed in yours hirm! Now I would be able to logs rauskramen to point what affiges with restraint Ghost to him meet lays how she itself after him was restrained for gesponsorten server et cetera! but I wanted to become quieter and will not do this! This points ripe and more. Be DT hold back and his cowardice this does not point! I am able to do Evan not in the slightest verstehn, because he is that, that were economical has and other itself only weight and \ " rumheulen \ "! I would have the dung which is it at the moment nunmal, long time ago in tonne gekloppt!;) If to us Ghost demands, should not find out Ghost first, whether some Tuniere anstehn or FunWars/Wars. This was not the case! To you Darky I will repeat nothing, it had not worked with your clan and your syringes have wrong placed them to you perhaps. all the same, this does here nothing to sache! Fact is following! Of empire will not make headway thus. The time is absolutely wrong for liga and really experienced spieler there is not (ausnahme old clans)! There one can say to me what he wants! This is the point and there haperts!

    BWP ^^
     
  12. nebajoth

    nebajoth Member

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    That's what's being suggested by Evan, CK. You should really cut him some slack, since he's the one suggesting it and asking for more decision-making involvement from the clans.

    This entire thread is meant to discuss the possibilities for making the leadership of the league more democratic. That's the reason it was posted.
     
  13. Lollum

    Lollum Tester++

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    And now the same in English, please.
     
  14. knighttemplar

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    I think getting the League PUG going should come before Season 3, lets give it a chance to build up the population some.

    It would also give me a chance to learn the basic concepts of Empires.
     
  15. KILLX

    KILLX Banned

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    lol KT, too true, you have let TF2 brainwash your tactical mindset into a mud puddle :p
     
  16. Cyber-Kun

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    Well I've had personal contact with Evan enough.
    I'm not going to cut him slack. Removing him from power would be the best idea for the league right now.
    THE ONLY REASON, he has league power right now is he made the league.
    While this would be fine as he can let his own league die, the damn thing has gone official.
    Getting someone we can trust and set up the damn league would be the best.
    If you say Evan is fine, or needs some slack... why the hell has Season 1 & 2 been so horrible..
     
  17. nebajoth

    nebajoth Member

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    I think that last post showed why, frankly.
     
  18. Jephir

    Jephir ALL GLORY TO THE JEPHIR

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    I think one of the biggest problems is, well, not many people play Empires in the first place. The population of the game is low already, even less will join the league. It's a little boring playing the same teams over and over again, new players would spark interest in the league.
     
  19. rampantandroid

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    Season 1 & 2 sucked because of a flawed system in season 1, and by that point, certain people and clans made it their mission to either remove evan from power, or failing at that, destroy the league. Frankly, the clan vs clan league should just be stopped for now, too few clans - even if all clans would just play and stop bickering, it is still too few clans.
     
  20. Evan

    Evan League Commissioner

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    The PUG is no longer under development because RA is now developing global stats for Empires Mod. The PUG may be worked on again after the Empires server can report player actions to server databases.

    As for the league, I do not take responsibility for the "failures" of Season 1 and 2. They failed because the participating clans were not constructive in their methods of change. Both ended in "let's end this before its done".

    After season 1, clans wanted to schedule their own matches. We did that in Season 2 and they stopped scheduling matches. Now Bitchslap is suggesting removing the ability of clans to schedule matches again. This is how the "correct" league will come into being --> trial and error.

    As for a democratic committee in charge, that's what I'm suggesting. Each participating clan should pick a very responsible delegate. The league was founded on a similar principle with delegate referees from many different clans. They all had input in the creation of the rules.
     

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