Possible other gren weapons.

The sugestion is thus: Give grens a diverse set of things-what-go-boom. Why? Because the mortar is too hard to use. But it's also quite cool. All posts should go of the asumption that the RPG will recieve some buff. Per example:

Shell Launcher
Fires small tank shells at the enemy.
Damage matches the RPG vs tanks and the mortar vs infantry.
Splash is a little less than the mortar.
Drops 1 metre vertically every 10 metres horizontally when fired flat.


Please do not discuss how generally fail the gren is here, not needed. Nor any other balance. Balance is done with changing damage values, not by making prophetic statements on forums.

 

I want such a weapon.

 

Not a rename, but an addition. Because the mortar is a bastard to use for anyone that's not been using it a long, long time. But it still has it's place.

 

Unless you mean for this cannon to only damage tanks, I fail to see how this would strengthen the gren's intended role as an anti-tank class.

 

Firstly, fuck off with your broken game mechanics. If you really want to see a game with epic polarised classes, go and make one. Please. Then watch as no one plays it.

Secondly, suggest others. This is an example, simply to help visualise a point if you will.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyAl9qK3Rlg

Hells yes. Shoulder cannons for everyone!

 

BF2142 has a nice weapon called the Pilium. It's like an anti-tank rifle which isn't instant fire, it's unguided and travels, (albeit fast). Maybe that could be cool.

 

Choice between the guided rocket and a faster unguided version? Much easier! (and keeps the RPG model for the mortar)

 

the Pilium is more like a heavy rifle firing a grenade with wings of some sort

 

It's also only useful because it doesn't trigger the tank shield alarm like the rocket launcher, as empires lacks tank shelds I doubt it would be desirable.

 

Given that you felt the need to create this thread, it is obvious that there is such a game, and not only are people playing it, but you are playing it. You would not be constantly asking for the grenadier to be given powers suitable for the role of the rifleman if you felt that he already possessed those capabilities.

If you truly desire to shatter the game's class roles and metagame over your knee and reduce all classes to boring identical dreck differing only in flavor, you're welcome to your opinion, but you should start by creating a thread titled, say, "let's eliminate all class roles" or "class roles suck", rather than starting from the proposition that everyone else wants to eliminate class roles and requesting how it can be done.

Gladly! I will not even confine them to the Grenadier; clearly, if we are to eliminate class roles, we shouldn't limit it to just one class. These are, I think, the suggestions most appropriate to the premise of this thread:

* Microwave Boomcannon. Grenadier weapon. When fired, all enemy riflemen on your viewscreen spontaneously explode.

* Construction RPG. Grenadier weapon. Shooting a building or tank with this RPG causes it to be built or repaired as appropriate.

* AT pistol. Scout and Rifleman weapon. A pistol that does heavy damage to tanks and buildings.

* Healing gun. Scout weapon. This gun's bullets heal allies instead of hurting them. Can revive allies with the right skill.

* Stealth Mortar. Like the mortar, but in exchange for doing lower damage it also makes you hide (as the scout skill) while you're prone. Also, this would be an engineer weapon.

* Jeepz Gun. A scout weapon. Fires jeeps. Self-explanatory.

* Lightfoot cannon. Engineer weapon. A hand-held cannon that makes you immune to mines, even while driving.

* Ammo-Dispensing Grenade. Grenadier weapon. A grenade whose explosion refills the ammo of all nearby allies.

* Seismic mines. Scout weapon. Like mines, but they do high damage to structures and almost no damage to anything else.

* Sensor launcher. Grenadier weapon. Similar to the mortar, but it also constructs a sensor anywhere it hits.

* Sky-Vulture Rifle. Engineer weapon. An assault rifle with high accuracy and damage. Also it lets you fly.

* Turretseed Gun. Rifleman weapon. A rifle that creates a turret wherever you shoot.

* Turret-Apotheosis Implementation Pill. Grenadier weapon. When used, you turn into a turret.

 

The mortar isn't a hard weapon to use, it is merely a hard weapon to use well.

Having said that, grenadiers do need a little more diversity and another weapon choice would be welcome. However, the only weapon I can really think of right now that fits the grenadiers class would be the grenade launcher, which most people felt would be more suited to diversifying the rifleman's role instead.

If you're looking for new weapons to add to Empires, your best bet is to look at the weapons in real warfare, and remake them with an Empires bent. Arbitrarily making random guns up will seldom get a second look, as they're more like a variant on what we currently have.

Humanity specialises in making things that kill. Trust that they will have covered every niche you could want, if you look hard enough. And once you're done searching, share it...it's more likely to generate constructive discussion than a thread like this.

 

All of them would be excellent as UT mutator weapons.
If they hadn't already been done as UT mutator weapons.

 

Erm... No, I'm not. I played district yesterday and 20% of my deaths were from mortar or RPG. Maybe 10% from mines, 10% from SMG, 20% from melee and most of the rest through roflman HMG or AR. And yes, I would, because the capabilities he has are too specific for vet usage and alienates newer players from playing the class. The rest of your post I will not dwell on because it was mindless and unimaginative trolling.

 

I find that that sort of behavior is pretty similar wherever there is a clearly defined front, such as what can happen in the slaughtered S-Bend.

 

That is because District is, well, District. The game shouldn't be balanced around District or the S-Bend; those are the worst parts of Empires. They are dull and repetitive, widely and rightfully hated for the way that they constantly devolve down to the same thing over and over (and, in District's case, the fact that it strips Empires of everything that makes it empires in the first place.)

The fact that you want to rebalance the entire game around them -- and see them as the shining exemplars for how the Grenadier class ought to work -- says all that needs to be said about your position. You're free to spend all your time on District or in S-Bend stalemates if you want, but please do not try to drag the rest of us down with you.