I will say I do remember at the time spike was scripting nothing was getting pushed because build server was borked or something stupid, or maybe it was they didn't want to push out anything because they had"BIG PLANS" and wanted one giant update. I really can't remember any play testing of spikes scripts outside of like 2 people and I think that was a big reason he quit, he wanted to make changes and couldn't. Like what I said before, maybe it would have worked but it just needed some adjustments, nothings perfect first time out. Mr x is just the most active player in my mind so his name just came up first. Would you feel better if I said steve_uk who I can't even remember out of a tank?