Mines

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  1. zenarion

    zenarion Member

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    Have the grenadiers chose between using anti-personnell mines, or anti-tank
    mines.

    The first type, Anti-Personnell, are shrapnel charges, that do area-of-effect damage
    when detonated. They kill or damage unarmored targets. They do very little
    to no damage to tanks. In theory, a single mine can kill or seriously cripple a
    group of infantry that walk too close to each other.

    The second type, Anti-Armour, make use of shaped charge technology. As these mines are
    huge and heavy, the scouts can only carry 2 of them normaly, or 3 with the
    Extra Ammo skill. These do massive damage to armor, effectively damaging
    all armor plates on the side they hit to a certain level, and doing direct
    damage to the hull, since they are armor-piercing to an effect. Infantry
    doesn't set this one off, because of the massive weight of a vehicle is
    required to trigger the detonator mechanism.

    Mines should not be stackable. Nor should they have the "push" effect when
    detonated, at least that they don't flip the heavier types of vehicles.

    Mines should not be placeable inside buildings at all, mostly because this will
    render the abovementioned mines overpowered, especially the A-A ones, if
    placed inside a baracks can slay a batch of newly-spawned infantry.

    Pros:
    +Poor grenadiers don't get their anti-tank minefields blown up by one god
    damn scout crawling where he doesn't belong.

    Cons:
    -Less mines for grenadiers to work with, locking them into an either anti-tank
    or anti-infantry role.
     
  2. Deadpool

    Deadpool SVETLANNNAAAAAA

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    boooooooooooo
    *hiss
    boooooo
    get off the staaage!


    (keep it simple stoner)
     
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  3. TheAmethystDuke

    TheAmethystDuke Member

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    Oh shit, something needs a small amount of Strategy and thinking, thus it is a con...

    WTF? Adding tactics, thinking, strategy and things that take some effort compared to dumbed down RTS & FPS games is not a con...


    Either way I like it, but simplified.

    Anti-Infantry mines explode when a player walks by,
    Anti-Vehicle mines explode when a vehicles drive over the mine,
     
  4. Bishop Gantry

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    So you want to remove the one thing that actually can hurt a tank from the grenaider.... Why?

    Why is the scout equipped with mines?

    So how do you propose a grenadier deal with Heavy tanks, since you want to eliminate every conceviable way for a grenaider to deal damage to a heavy tank.

    Sounds more like you want to nerf grenadier into oblivion...
     
  5. zenarion

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    No, just want different types of mines.
    I do want to buff the grenadier, but not with mines.
    AA mines would still be very effective against armored opponents.
    Scout isn't supposed to have mines. Error in communication between me and you.
    As is, the grenadier can't deal with heavies anyway, exept for stacking mines on each other. That I dislike, and therefore propose anti-armour mines, and anti-infantry mines to use in different occasions.
     
  6. Deadpool

    Deadpool SVETLANNNAAAAAA

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    balance is outta wack, why don't you save yourself some trouble and wait for the next patch.
     
  7. OuNin

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    Close minefields generally aren't effective because the chain reaction only blows the front. Usual tactic is to put multiple mines in one area which infantry generally avoid. That does some damage. Large minefields that close together are a waste anyway. Besides, mines are already underpowered since anyone with defusal can run them.
     
  8. BitterJesus

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    Can we drop these dumb suggestions please.

    Why not divide the engineer into medic and mechanic, huh?

    Because it'll fucking suck, that's why.
     
  9. communism

    communism poof

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    Didnt read much i be drunk
    which gren in their right mind would choose anti-infantry?
     
  10. Chris0132'

    Chris0132' Developer

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    Better idea:

    Primary fire sets an anti-tank mine, which uses two mine slots and does 2.5 times normal mine damage, and you can't stack them, they are 1.5 times bigger than normal mines and are only set off by tanks.

    Secondary fire sets an anti-infantry mine, which does half the damage but has a wider area of effect and detonator radius and only uses one slot, they are set off by infantry and tanks but as they do less damage than a normal mine they aren't as efficient, the plus side is that they can be spread over a much wider area and as such can still be used to stop light vehicles.

    Grenadier mine cap is raised to twelve.

    Grenadiers get more control over what trips their mines, better mines for all situations, and minefields become actual minefields rather than 8minemicroblackholes. 2.5 times normal damage is enough to put a serious dent in any tank, although this is offset by the mines being easier to spot, whereas the harder to spot and easier to trigger infantry mines are more of an annoyance.
     
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  11. communism

    communism poof

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    Then nobody would use anti-tank mines.
    2x dmg vs 2.5x damage (stacking), yet the 2x damage mine can kill infantry giving you that one extra rank point
     
  12. Chris0132'

    Chris0132' Developer

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    I thought I said you couldn't stack mines?

    Oh also, using this system you could make it so that infantry mines can be detonated by explosives, and then make it so that defusal doesn't make you immune to mines.

    So, in order to defuse AT mines, you need infantry with defusal, but to defuse infantry mines, you can drive over them with a tank, or throw grenades at them (in case they're in a corridor or something).

    Thus, when laying a minefield, it would be wise to lay a couple of infantry mines here and there to catch grenadiers who aren't paying attention when defusing the field.

    Of course you could also just use a tank to defuse any minefield if you retreat and repair, so it's not as if teamwork is required, it's just helpful.
     
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  13. -=SIP=-

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    Don't like it. Mines are working fine right now.
    Anti infantry mines will be overpowered on maps without tanks. And anti tank mines will be overpowered on maps, where tanks have no space.
     
  14. Chris0132'

    Chris0132' Developer

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    Pay attention please, how is it overpowered to have infantry mines you can defuse with grenades? Or tank mines which can be defused by infantry and CANNOT BE STACKED.

    That means there's a finite number of mines which can be placed in one area.

    Use your brain once in a while.
     
  15. Jonat

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    /signed. Providing chain-reactions are still included if they're placed too close. (sure, it wastes the mines but forces them to be spaced) I endorse all ideas from this man in this thread.
     
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  16. zenarion

    zenarion Member

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    Chris0132: I like what you did there. +1.
    SIP: Are HMG overpowered on Infantry-only maps? Or are Sticky Grenades overpowered on maps where tanks can't move around too much?
     
  17. -=SIP=-

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    Yes. But adding more types of mines won't change this.
     
  18. zenarion

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    I was drawing an analogy to how you said that AA and AP mines would be overpowered on certain maps, but so are other types of equipment.
    Light tanks are OP on big open maps, yes. HMG are overpowered on infantry only.
    The terrain controls the combat a lot more than the commander does. Some equipment would be viable on certain maps, other will not. Your point is moot.
     
  19. Jonat

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    Why is HMG overpowered, cause it does the job its meant to do?

    That's like saying mines are too good against people who set them off.

    HMG does exactly what it's meant to do, supress and mow down infantry. It's in no way impossible to counter it, nor is it hard. Just like nade spam from engis behind a wall is OP vs rax.

    It's only good in it's own element. Outside of that, it's worthless.
     
  20. Dawgas

    Dawgas Banned

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    that's strange

    I don't see it kill people

    how can it be overpowered if it can't kill people
     

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