Problem: Infantry stands no chance in late game, makes it boring for those without tanks ect. RPG research is too anoying to research, too little effect ect. Benefits to infantry firepower and aggressive capabilities become researchable, by being stuck on to other researches. Things that are stuck on to things that are very good options (eg. reactive armour) would have negligable effects. Very poor research options (eg. regen armour) would have very noticable effects. Values do stack, but are fixed values and not percentages (20% damage + 20% damage = 140% original, not 144%). List of possible effects below* ^: Physics: Projectile physics; Increased RPG speed Reflective armour; Increased riflemen damage ER cannon; Increased light arms fall off range HCALMG; Increased HMG & shotgun damage, HMG damages tanks Plasma MG; HMG does heat to vehicles Plasma cannon; Increased heat from explosives, extends sticky stun time Nuke warhead; Increased RPG damage Fision engine; Increaded explosive damage Chemistry: Absorbant armour; Increased speed Advanced coolant; Decreased reload UML; Increased RPG damage HE shells; increased mortar splash Nades; Increased explosive & sticky nade damage Ex. tipped bullets; HMG damages tanks Mechanical: Gas turbine; Decreased spawn time Composite; Increased speed Electrical: Reactive; Bullets hitting riflemen have a chance to do less/no damage Upg turret 2; Engi turrets take less time to upgrade to lvl 2 Upg turret 3; Engi turrets take less time to upgrade to lvl 2 (stacked), less time to upgrade to lvl 3 Homing missiles; Improved RPG speed Guided missiles; Improved RPG speed 3 Phase engine; Increased engi calc speed (NOT repaired units per energy) Rail gun; Improved RPG damage Biology: Regenerative armour; Infantry regenerates health (as ever, stacks with regen upg. + engi lead aura) Bio-diesel engine; Increases clip size for non-explosive weapons, increased max ammo for RPG + mortar Biological MG; Bullets have a chance to initiate bio effect (inf only). HMG can damage vehicles Biological missile; Explosives have a chance to initiate bio effect The suggestion here is mostly the implementation of infantry upgrades being stuck to current research items, the effects described for each item is just to show what could be done, feel free to add anything more interesting to any item. I havn't used values because it is too tempting to place them too high, but as a general rule, the effects of expensive researches will be greater than that of cheaper ones (both res and time). Not all items are for infantry vs tanks, some are for infantry vs infantry. I also wanted to do a bit more in adding the rifleman as a sort of attrition anti-tank class with the MG weapons, these damges are not for riflemen to take out tanks alone, but so they may provide so support against vehicles as well as infantry, seeing as grens will get benefits against infantry even though they are anti-tank. *Exact values left out for future balance. Effects stay the same. One day it might be all the rage to get bio diesel and absorbant, after all. ^ All references to weapons are infantry only. HMG is riflemen HMG, explosives are nades + mortar.
HMG of doom/rev. Deathlazor.v2. Explosive, Bio, Overheat vs tanks No, but I actually like infantry bonuses. I just feel this will be hard to balance especially since you not only have to blance the tank improvement, but also the infantry improvemnet.
You've got some decent ideas here, even if some of them don't make much sense (rifleman damage for reflective armor?). However, I would prefer there be separate research for the infantry. Put them in higher tiers, and then infantry becomes a legitimate unit, instead of an addition to tanks. I can see how an infantry only player would want this type of increase, but really, giving the commander a chance to evaluate the situation and research what is needed for that would be much more intuitive.
I don't want to give infantry a free ride to being inherently more powerful. At most, there should be a research system parallel to vehicle research. So, you would have both of them going on at the same time. With vehicles, you customize and purchase them such that the player can use it effectively in combat. I'd rather not have ubermensch running around the battlefield. Infantry research should be an investment, not a tacked-on feature. I would prefer a system kind of like Natural Selection where infantry always spawn with basic equipment which can be supplemented with purchased weapons and tools. Alternatively, when players earn squad points, the numerical value should be added to a pool from which the commander can exclusively buy infantry upgrades.
using squad points for buying inf upgs is a good ,wait ,awesome idea, but in early game you get only few of them not like com should use the squad pts, just gaining a squad point would give the com 1 veterancy point () to get upgrades edit: also, promotes teamwork, huzzah
I tried to make this the reverse, tank researches that are clearly better will have clearly worse infantry bonuses. I stress that these upgrades will be slight. also with the HMG, you've just spent about 15 minutes researching whats basicly the same thing for your tank weapons, and from this you've gotten an impressive infantry weapon. This was sort of intended, and you'd only see this happening very late game and in stale mate - surely you want to start pushing things on at this point? If I'm understanding correctly what you mean, separate research will absolutely not work as shown by adv RPG. It might be quite useful but if it's researched 1/100 games I'd be surprised, no ones willing to compromise on tanks. If you mean have 2 parallel trees, that might work. I just feel that getting the balance will be hard, as well as low resource maps - infantry will still be compromised. also I copped out on the imagination front, it's not easy though. Also, there isn't much to evaluate. Notice there is only 1 defensive bonus, and I'm not particularly happy with it. Do you want more powerful guns. yes. well then get anything you want, it's all basicly the same! Otherwise you are left with super RPGs, mega mortars and a lulpwn HMG. I just wanted something to pad things out a bit more, but bonuses to mines and more bonuses to nades and mortar in replacement would be fine I guess, feel free to ctrl-c my tree and edit it to what you'd prefer. Remember this is also to add another feature, not just a stupendously elaborate bug fix. Ounin, I don't want to see weapons restricted, restricting features is not a good way for a mod to go. Squad points for a separate research tree is definitely an interesting one. This could mean that one cohesive squad could give their team a massive advantage, but I don't know, maybe that's a good thing. Also, the whole point of this is that, whilst not entirely free, it is definitely a ride to being more powerful, it goes parallel to the coaster that the tank research is on, so that infantry isn't left to the merry-go-round when the tank research is approaching orbit. Just thinking about the squad points, I'd almost like to see this do more, but different. They are already spent on 1 hit wonders, so why not allow for another option, to give people spawning in that squad other benefits, more like the infantry upgrades. I don't want to put too much in the hands of the com, he has afterall got the job of commanding to do and it can get pretty hectic as it is, but spreading this out over squad leaders would be fine. remember I'm suggesting subtle effects only with the research, these could be much more noticable, but reserved for those that actually work as a unit, instead of overly rewarding complete nubcakes that go round megapwning behind the lines with their uber-scout rifle. I'd also want to see these as an evolvement over the game, perhaps infinate upgrades following something like the inverse square law (getting n times the benefit is kn^2 as expensive, so cost goes 4,9,16,25 (or 8, 18, 32...) whilst the actual upgrades just go 2,3,4,5,) so you can't spam upgrades as much, unless you're going into a really long match with hundreds of squad points and need a gamebreaker.
But add skill into that: Vets gaining lots of points in squad = rape noobs running around not in squad = GG.
except it forces those noobs to actually work in the squads and gain some game exp there could be NS style system ,if your team is too much behind, you get some vet points to get upgrs so you wont be that much behind
over all i like the idea of com researched infantry upgrades for all classes, not like now where only the grenadier has com upgrades
