OK. I guess I'll take on the global banlist file. It will not be a plugin, but a maintained updated bans.cfg file if I do it. Anyone interested in helping? Anyway I can get moderator status on the bans forum? If not, we can create a separate forum for it.
note the words "global banlist".. eg a banlist that is going to be used by all server admins (servers = empires) and includes all people known for ruining the game (gameplay = empiresmod) oh and yes I do have a bad day, and no I don't want to sound like I do...
K. Well the plan is to make it a plugin. The plugin will be endorsed by Empires League and available for download by server admins. Not officially empiresmod then.
Though I don't understand why empiresmod wouldn't want this: -Much easier than hardcode bans -Dynamic -Easy to create -Optional on a server to server basis Is it just because I'm heading it up? If M00tant has proposed to do it would it be pushed through?
Well I personally believe that you see this "new development," which in reality is a huge set back for empiresmod, as an opportunity to push your ideas and influence into the game, without making concessions, everyone here has to make concessions, but you do not seem to want to make any. I don't want to discuss things with you endlessly. you do not seem to acknowledge the arguments against having a semi-official ban list, so why should we acknowledge your persistance on something that is a non issue. Go ahead, I don't give a shit.
I do acknowledge the arguments against having a semi-official ban list, but the fact that it will be optional nullifies them all. And I'm not sorry for seeing the "new development" in an optimistic light. The "old development" was chronically plagued by understaffing and there are plenty of people stepping up now. That's something to be happy about. Obviously it will take time for everyone (coders, graphics, etc) to get up to speed, but it's a breath of new life.
It's a utopian vision I do not share, this is no longer about the ban list, it's about your commitment. It might be optional, but in the path we're taking we're going to need 30 hours in a 24 hour day, we don't have the time, you might have the time, but in this case it's time spent badly, if its a matter of thinking this is a better way to spend that time, then sure go ahead, whatever, I don't give a shit. Banning people is no ones concern, making a ban list that is in your view optional, but your involvement with Empiresmod says otherwise. Sure a ban list could be a good thing if done right, with the right person, but if Mootant tells you he doesn't think its a good idea, if Krenzo doesn't think it's important or needed, you should respect this and drop it; who are you doing it for anyway?
Krenzo obviously thinks it is necessary because he started hardcode banning people. Will a new version of the game come out everytime a global cheater is identified? You and I both realize there isn't much if anything for PR to do inbetween releases without access to the means to officially update the community
I think hardcode bans are mostly for legendary assholes like SGT MIKE and the chopper guys, and other folks like general l33t.
That's all the global ban list is for. It is NOT for run of the mill "he called our clan a turd" offenders. Servers would maintain their own banlists for those people.
The point is that there aren't really enough people that deserve supermegauberban and those that do can be quickly taken care of by the coder.
server admins are dictators of their OWN server. The reason why there is such a thing as a hardcode ban is because a few select(less than a handful) of players are only here to grief like cunts. hardcode bans take time, and require proper judgement because that person will literally be screwed, and the coders need to be sure. If you bring something like this along, where it's super easy to get a global ban on all servers, then you lose a lot of that hesitation you would have normally been given with hardcode bans. Coders are meant to code and make the game work. Server owners are meant to moderate their own shit. The only reason I could see a server admin asking for a global ban list is if they couldn't moderate on their own.
