i have talked to harryhoot1 he ran empires ok, chose a server, when connecting to server empires just got out and stop running. no error masseges. he uninstalled, and reinstalled. same problem. i guided him with the sdk2007 workaround. (i doubted it would help, but whateve give a chance for everything) and it solved the problem. the thing is... in this case, empires ran. and exited while connecting a server. which sdk2007 again solved this.