Cause it litterally makes no sense

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  1. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    tldr: it makes no sense sabbing radar does fuck all.
    Make it slowdown or stop.
    And if you think, omg thats so op. Make it so its less OP. Make sabbing radar take a long time, or make it so whenever the radar gets sabbed you see your research time flashing or something. But not having anything is worse than having something.




    1. [​IMG] 27 minutes ago - Paradox:
      i still say we buff the hp of the radar and make it so scout sab stops the research
    2. [​IMG] 25 minutes ago - MegaMLGgaming:
      I like it, or maybe scout sab slows research down adding by making it seem normal but in actuallity one second of research time is actually two
    3. [​IMG] 24 minutes ago - MegaMLGgaming:
      That would actually make scout a bit too annoying
    4. [​IMG] 24 minutes ago - MegaMLGgaming:
      So yeah the first idea was better
    5. [​IMG] 6 minutes ago - Xyaminou:
      Yeah I did suggest in the past to make the scout sabotaging the radar affect it in some way, stop the research, slow it down, or maybe even tell you what the enemy is researching.
    6. [​IMG] 5 minutes ago - Xyaminou:
      But you know, like 99% of stuff I suggested it gets forgotten.
    7. [​IMG] 4 minutes ago - Paradox:
      Litterally makes no sense that sabbing radar does nothing fucking lol
    8. [​IMG] 4 minutes ago - Paradox:
      vf => vehicles come out half hp
    9. [​IMG] 4 minutes ago - Paradox:
      baracks=> people come out half hp
    10. [​IMG] 4 minutes ago - Paradox:
      ref => produces half income
    11. [​IMG] 4 minutes ago - Paradox:
      radar=> absolutely fuck all
    12. [​IMG] 4 minutes ago - Paradox:
      great job devs
    13. [​IMG] 4 minutes ago - Paradox:
      10/10
    14. [​IMG] 2 minutes ago - MegaMLGgaming:
      Ok so lets fix the fuckung problem. Lets not fucking forget about it. Make a thread, and push the idea
    15. [​IMG] 1 minute ago - Xyaminou:
      ...
    16. [​IMG] 1 minute ago - Xyaminou:
      every time I do that it ends badly, why don't you do it?
    17. [​IMG] A moment ago - Xyaminou:
      why do I have to be the one reporting all the thread and making all the suggestions?
     
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  2. MegaMLGgaming

    MegaMLGgaming Member

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    Tldr: scout sab does nothing.
    Options:
    1: scout sab will make enemy research longer or slower
    2. Scout sab will stop reaserch entierly
    3. scout sab will tell the commander what the enemy has reaserched or IS researching
     
  3. Smithy

    Smithy Developer Staff Member Administrator

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    https://wiki.empiresmod.com/Scout#Sabotage
    Though this is outdated because buildings no longer have the '1 health drained every three seconds' effect, the other information is still correct. (Turrets still have the drain effect)

     
  4. Sgt.Security

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    If we are to vote "top 10 things you didn't know about Empires", this would be like, top 3.

    *Honestly this might be a fun idea*
     
  5. D.D.D. Destroyer

    D.D.D. Destroyer Member Staff Member Moderator

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    I suggested that if all built radars are sabotaged, each second of research takes two seconds of game time, but that idea didn't get far as other issues took up coder time instead.

    It's important to note that sabotaging a radar does have an effect, albeit a far less pronounced one. Aside from going down to 50% of its max health, a sabotaged radar provides the detection functionality for the team that sabotaged it instead of the owners.

    Edit: Should have refreshed the page before posting, heh.
     
  6. Kidpaler

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    I had no idea the sabbing did this. This is actually useful for sneaking APC's into the enemy base...
     
  7. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    Hellllooooo arent you guys litterally just repeating what I said? Every sab move does something except to a radar.

    Not my fault yall arent good enough at empires to know that
     
  8. Kidpaler

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    Did you read what Smithy posted?
    Per the wiki.

    Thats a big benefit for sneaking in.

    Edit: Sure it doesn't do something to the severity of the VF/Barracks, but it does do something.
     
  9. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    HELLOOOO THATS LITTERALLY NOTHING.
     
  10. Sgt.Security

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    To be fair, a friendly scout that's close to the enemy radar already auto-spots the nearby enemy units to the scout's team.

    So it seems to be useful only when the scout is dead and the radar remains unrepaired, or if the scout have moved on to other bases.

    It's not useless but probably not as useful as it looks.

    We can probably rework this into "reveal the entire minimap for a few seconds, once every half a minute" or something like that.
     
    Last edited: May 25, 2017
  11. MegaMLGgaming

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    And maybe stop enemy research? For a short time maybe an extra. Lets say 20 seconds?
     
  12. Xyaminou

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    I wouldn't have it stop research completely. It would pretty much turn the meta into have X scouts in the team where X is the amount the enemy has, and the enemy's meta would be have X+1 radars. Basically it'd turn into a "build more radar" war.

    Like many, including myself, suggested, halving the speed of research would be an ideal compromise.
     
  13. D.D.D. Destroyer

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    Sabotage doesn't disable any other buildings (turrets excluded), radars should be no different.
     
  14. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    If you go by your logic sabbing doesnt do this, so it shouldnt do this on the radar
    then you should apply it to sabbing halfs most shit some way, radar should half shit someway aswel -> half research speed.
    Otherwise you dont get to use that logic cause you're a hypocrit. But thats just incase.
     
  15. D.D.D. Destroyer

    D.D.D. Destroyer Member Staff Member Moderator

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    Did you read the posts in the thread?

     
  16. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    I did you're trying to adjust the suggestions to make it logical to which Im replying if you are using that logic to get the suggestion to be good then it should be half the speed.
     
  17. D.D.D. Destroyer

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    This is exactly what I said. If each second of research takes two seconds of game time, then research is conducted at half the normal speed, which brings radar sabotage in line with other buildings.
     

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