Can we please stop escorting

Discussion in 'General' started by BigTeef, Apr 7, 2015.

  1. D.D.D. Destroyer

    D.D.D. Destroyer Member Staff Member Moderator

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    Then nobody would play, a doubtful improvement over current escort woes.
     
  2. McGyver

    McGyver Experimental Pedagogue

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    The Empires server should come with a hidden bitcoin miner.
     
  3. ImSpartacus

    ImSpartacus nerf spec plz

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    Yeah, they should totally do that to epic since it gets basically no usage.
     
  4. Z100000M

    Z100000M Vithered Weteran

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    It was a joke.
    I though boxes are pretty much cpus and rams and you want to mine on a gpu. Just get Seti@home.
     
  5. BigTeef

    BigTeef Bootleg Headshot master

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    Im asking to remove it from servers not from the damn game.

    The map has issues and im willing to play it again when the issues get fixed.
    Its a pain in the ass to play, how people see the fun in bashing their head against a wall is beyond me.
     
  6. Sgt.Security

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    Well, joining BE isn't really bashing your head against a wall.
     
  7. BigTeef

    BigTeef Bootleg Headshot master

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    No its dealing with rush hour on a Monday morning.
    With explosions everywhere and carcases are blocking your path.
     
  8. =PVCS) Cpatton

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    Man that sounds like a ton of fun. Like Crazy Taxi meets Left 4 Dead... with tanks.

    Man I don't see how you hate escort at all!
     
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  9. 101010

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    That sounds amazing..

    So here's an idea for every one that has issues with any maps we have. Make something better.

    If Escort is as bad as you say. Then it shouldn't be too hard to make a better map that would make people stop voting for Escort. We need more non com,vehicle maps. Like DDD's map is a great addition.

    Been working 6 days a week lately and trying to buy a house. But things should slow down soon. When they do I'll create some EMP maps. As long as servers stay populated. Every time I have started maps people stop playing empires so I go back to other projects.
     
  10. Candles

    Candles CAPTAIN CANDLES, DUN DUN DUN, DUN DUN DUN DUN.

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    I don't see why the rush hour part seems amazing, but I guess some people like that kinds stuff?
     
  11. BigTeef

    BigTeef Bootleg Headshot master

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    [​IMG]

    Liking escort is a defining feature of empire troll players.
     
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  12. Z100000M

    Z100000M Vithered Weteran

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    No, that goes towards rainbowroad, on escort you kinda maybe have at least some teamworkship.
     
  13. D.D.D. Destroyer

    D.D.D. Destroyer Member Staff Member Moderator

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    @42: Design a map for around 6v6 maybe less, those are kinda in high demand and don't need a full server (obviously).
     
  14. ImSpartacus

    ImSpartacus nerf spec plz

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    Yeah, a lot of people remember these non-com maps because they have consistent & simple (albeit mediocre) gameplay experiences.

    So it's not that escort is so good, it's just consistently not as bad as many of the other maps can be for these kinds of players.

    Com maps just aren't fun because there are so many tiny unintuitive things that culminate to ruin the experience. It's hard for us to comprehend exactly how bad of an experience it is for most new players on a com map. They feel helpless and useless.

    I think you're right. This forum is in utter disrepair with improper polls and a general disrespect to the best feature of the entire forum. Something must be done.
     
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  15. Lazybum

    Lazybum :D Staff Member Moderator

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    That depends a little on when they join a map, I feel. Early game comm map isn't bad at all. Large pop on escort at near any point can feel extremely bewildering. Sure it seems simple, just go to flag and shoot other team, but there's all these ways to instantly die so it's kinda hard to get into.
     
  16. ImSpartacus

    ImSpartacus nerf spec plz

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    I think the early game is just as bad.

    Think about it this way, if a player comes out of the rax as anything but an engy, then they are clueless and they simply won't know what to do.

    Anecdotally, I've noticed a scary trend lately. I keep latejoining random pubs pretty late and still making it decently high on the scoreboard. Granted, I passively pointwhore like any other player that knows the point system, but it's still alarming because I'm not really good. The thing that's alarming is that all of the other players just aren't earning points.

    While the point system is pretty terribad, it's reasonably accurate for a typical footsoldier that is just killing & repairing/building/healing. But these players just don't do those things. I'm not sure exactly what they are doing to be honest.

    Hopefully, I've just had a string of randomly bad situations, but I wonder if players are having bad all-around experiences because they literally don't know how to do anything productive.
     
  17. Trickster

    Trickster Retired Developer

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    The setup where BE had only 600 tickets and got +600 for each flag cap needs re-adding. So do Heavies for BE if they got removed for some stupid reason. Lower the starting res so they can only afford like 2 heavies and 2 APCs.

    And as if by magic, map is fucking perfect. Escort is the very definition of a last stand map, and it's fucking magnificent for it. Winning Escort at the last flag as NF is one of the most satisfying ways to win a round of Empires, and there's no CV even involved.
     
  18. Acolyte

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    I am Against removing it.

    It really is a unique map, numbers might wanna be tweaked in NF's favor ticketwise slightly more, otherwise i think it adds alot of variate. The new nuclear map thing is great, but escort just feels more like an uphill battle to me.
    Idk
     
  19. Lazybum

    Lazybum :D Staff Member Moderator

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    You may be on to something. When I think back to when I first turned on empires I thought it was pretty straight forward, but I keep forgetting not everyone has a previous notion of how it should work.

    I had a basic idea of how to actually play due to previous rts games before and spending time on natural selection which probably helped the most. I tend to also press all the buttons to figure out what I could do with each class, so it didn't take me long at all to figure out fun stuff like infinite seismic slamming bases. I would have thought that people might have at least touched a rts or something though before starting empires, people can't be that clueless of how the game should kinda work right? Though in rts games you can hurt tanks with pitchforks, albeit badly, so maybe it isn't as helpful as I thought.

    I'm not so sure winning on last flag of escort is satisfying trickster. It may be the easiest flag to defend. Only tricky part of that flag is how many hide rushes can be done which is can be annoying sometimes.

    I agree about the ticket issue. Not entirely sure about it starting at 600 though, technically gives be only 9 minutes to cap first flag due to tickets counting down as soon as round start timer counts down, that and people simply dying in high pop servers cause it to go even faster. I would suggest starting at 1000 and getting 500 every flag cap. Same overall round timer, which is actually a bit shorter then current game which starts at 3600 tickets, but it would account better for higher pop games and wouldn't really drag out game hopelessly longer like it can feel like right now.

    Heavy tanks aren't needed at all though, they were some of the more unfun times of escort on both sides.
     
  20. =PVCS) Cpatton

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    Yea, winning by taking BE's flag is even better :3
     

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