Banned Users Database?

Yeah this isn't anything like your example Paradox. The police are civil servants upholding pubic policies.

If you've got a problem with a dealer in the Casino you call the floor manager.
If you cry about it publicly the Casino just bans you from the premises.

 

tbh it does apply here in your casino.
if a casino upholds rules and the floor manager makes a shit call, you go up to higher and they do shit. You go public and the casino gets public outcry and they might be like, ow shit now we in the spotlight we gotta repeal. Has happend countless times before, not with casinos though.

The thing with empires that makes it not really appliccable is that creepers server is the only server playable. And people here have shaky ethics and morals in comparison to the real world.
But the reasoning behind it is still sound.

 

Okay, so you think our floor manager is bad at the job?

There needs to be a public outcry over admin action because it's part of Empires gameplay, right?

 

We'll agree to disagree on that one.

But anyway it makes no difference, regardless of analogies, the buck stops with whoever runs the server and public witch hunts byt people who weren't there don't work.
I remember loads of examples of this when I was helping out with Viper - people chiming in with their 2 cents does nothing useful. The best you can ask is that the root admin(s) review the logs, look at the evidence and investigate any claim against an admin unfairly excluding someone. Thats how it was done and I'm sure still is.

When other people come in to the discussion they usually do so with another agenda and just fabricate or talk about non specific stuff, usually just people who don't like the server or the people who run it and just want to make trouble.

 

If someone wants this kind of mobocracy they should setup a server that does things that way and debates every ban, map change, etc.
See how long someone has the patience for that. Everyone has an opinion on everything, everyone is free to express their opinion. Nobody is obliged to listen to it.

 

I feel like we already have a mobocracy. NUBS/VIPER have historically gone out of their way to listen to 'the public'. It's actually server policy for many things to not take action unless by vote, and in the past bans and admins have been removed based on complaints.

 

Thats not what I said, you keep turning my words around and making it seem I have other motives, you're being a Donald Trump right now.

Im saying a floor manager shouldnt inherintly think hes right. And when a bad decision is made, he might think its good, people should be like, I think that might be a bad decision mate to which he can respond or not, but he should reflect inhimself if it was wrong or right.

 

if someone is banned on nubs there is nothing from stopping them to contact thecreeper or post on the nubs steam group. Making bans public on a website is only good for curiosity seekers since the one banned can appeal on the server group or talk to thecreeper directly.
Having a server rcon on a insecure site is not going to happen.

Having the community argue or discuss bans is a ridiculous idea, bans are between the server owner/admin and the one banned. Thecreeper will do the leg work through logs and talking to others and the one banned to determine if its justified or not.
In my experience most banned players usually don't admit they broke a rule, fabricate a story which logs prove differently never the less all requests are looked into and investigated and as I and others suggested, if you dont like how nubs is run put up your own and do it your way and as thecreeper said if you want bans public write a script and he will host it, stop insulting thecreeper and contributing nothing but complaints.

 

Yes, totally.
Sorry

 

TLDR, Nubs does whatever the fuck it wants because no one can challenge it when its the only server played on and most of the Empires devs get admin on the server too, don't want to lose their special privileges do they.

I love vicki's answer is always go make your own server when you know damn well no one can unless you bribe people to afk all day in spec to keep the server population up, notice how that one gaming community put up a server and now its already offline again.

 

I dont really see anyone here insulting thecreeper in anyway? We're just discussing if its productive or not to talk about the legitimacy of bans from a public perspective.

 

saying not showing bans to the public is for malicious reasons is calling thecreeper just that, it is nasty and uncalled for, as I see it the people saying that are malicious and unappreciative of what thecreeper offers and contributes to the community.

 

Thats just neko baron being an idiot, dont think the rest of us said anything offensive

 

Nubs don't contribute fuck all to the community other than a dictatorship of the games direction and it's community, people complain about bans because being banned off nubs is equal to being banned completely from empires.

 

I wasn't address you or anyone except neko baron and complete who both said it.

@ neko's last comment.. that's the extent of nekos contribution to the community..nasty comments.

Still waiting for the sever neko boasted about putting up many months ago.

 

Love how the issue of ambiguous banning is being avoided still.

 

it was resolved, read up.. unless you are going to make a script for it, and contribute something other than insults.

 

all those times you said before on these forums. oh wait....
oh and if you did somehow post about it which i doubt have fun finding the topic with this forum's broken search function

were people being removed or added because of hacking of the database or because of a malicious admin who knew they could get away with it because they knew there would be no logs associated with it?

neoony liked my post so hes is also one of the meanies of the forum

love how you guys say you've repeated this stuff over and over everywhere when in reality you just keep it confined to whoever happens to be in spec when someone asks

 

*cough* pronouns *cough*
I am almost religiously sure that "why we no longer use SB" was explained for at least once in public.

Honestly if you think SB was removed so admins can abuse for all they want.
Then this discussion is over.

I agree with a ban list, just not SB, I do agree that "who's banned for what" should be posted somewhere.
"Jan 1, 2017 PM 2:42 namenamename 30 minutes griefing"

However, if we don't use SB, like Creeper said you'll need a script to extract the ban list and put it on a webpage, it also needs to update itself periodically.

 

Social fighting-rebels bringing justice and equality in Empires too, through constant bitching and all the sneaky means possible. The dictatorship of Nubs shall fall. There's no escape. A new regime, founded by the best of the lower social classes, will rise from the ashes giving fair chances for everyone. All possible bans will first go through the supreme court of law and then it shall be discussed in the senate + church of the municipality. There will be a private meeting of the leaders of the opposing parties (The Accused and the Defendant) and then players will be called to vote. In the end the previously appointed by the community Admins with degrees in Law (Specialized in Constitutional, Civil, Commercial and Public Law) will post the results at the server group on Steam and all known social media.

I would like to personally thank the twisted, hallucinating minds that rise awareness of this social tragedy. This monopoly deserves an outcry!

>No hope.

~Grow up.