★UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION 2016★

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  1. vipervicki

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    YAY for us! Someone posted this on another forum I belong to which they found on yahoo I think.

    Dear millenials and others who worry about a Trump Presidency, It's going to be okay. The world isn't going to fall apart. We will go on. Please understand that the Trump's opposition ran a hardcore smear campaign. They did everything in their power to make Trump look like a racist, sexist and bigot. In many ways they succeeded. But it was just a false narrative that they spun. They played hardball, and 99.99% of what you've heard just isn't true. Trump will surround himself with bright minds, and use his business experience to fix some of our problems. You might not agree on everything politically, and that's okay. You can vote again for Congress in two years, and the Presidency in 4 years. It's not that long.

    Do what Hillary told you to do and give the man a chance. Think about how he actually won against all the odds. That's a success story in and of itself. He really does love this country. He did not have to do this. He could have lived out his life with family and friends, and plenty of money to do whatever he wants, but instead, he took the punches, and fought a hard fight, and rose to the challenge in order to help end the corruption and gridlock in D.C. Wish for his success. We are the passengers and he is the pilot. We would never wish for our plane to crash, so don't wish for our country to crash. Put down the signs, stop the protests, turn off the memes, and start living again. The election is over. Thanskgiving and Christmas are coming. We live in the most wonderful country in the world. In the end, we are ALL Americans, and together we will get through the hard parts and reach the top of the mountain.
     
  2. blizzerd

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    Hes a winner, you're all losers

    get out, you're fired!


    Tbh, it tastes so sweet... Hillary spent 40 years of her life to building her career to lose the presidency to a man who picked up politics as a hobby last year.

    Wrecked
     
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  3. Grantrithor

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    but meat is murder
     
  4. vipervicki

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    Trump just won Arizona 290 Electoral votes so far..2 more states to go.
     
  5. complete_

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    im not even going to bother to post all the stuff about the amount of harrassment trump supporters are doing to minorities because you guys have already seen it and dismissed it

    instead, heres canada:
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    Ontario judge’s pro-Trump baseball cap causes courthouse uproar
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...cap-causes-courthouse-uproar/article32810847/
    "you and your immigrant neighbours will be the first to be washed away" vs "mens lives get ruined by rape accusations"
    we all know how much mens lives get ruined by rape accusations because they end up getting elected to president
     
  6. complete_

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    james o keefe followed people bussing people around to polling places (perfectly legal) in order to intimidate them not to (voter intimidation IS illegal)
    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Republican-operative-James-OKeefe-busts-pastor-bus.html
    he also lied about it being in philidelphia, like he usually does. everything he is fake and made up bullshit. project veritas which both vicki and trump love is hack bullshit
    he also roofied a breitbart blogger
    i thought these accusations ruined people's lives?

    e: his name is james
     
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  7. Donald Trump

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    Can we get this thread locked? Seriously Complete isn't even arguing based on logic anymore. At no time did Trump say he was going to deport or ban all immigrants, I presented an issue to Complete and he just ignores it and says X IS WORSE! and then he says that James O'Keefe is following people around to intimidate, when it was to try and log voter fraud (Bussing people around to multiple polling stations) as we saw in his earlier videos. Seriously, this topic needs to be locked, elections over and Complete is just butt hurt Trump won.

    Complete, the issue isn't with Immigrants. Some people make that the issue, but Trump doesn't really care if you are an immigrant. Stop trying to make it seem like Trump is the greatest hate mongerer in the world, he isn't.

    Also, about the Rape accusations ruining peoples lives, yea they do. Because of the stupid PC culture. PC culture is so bad here in the USA that people just stopped caring and thats why those lines of "RAPE, SEXIST, RACIST" didn't stick on Trump, because people were so sick of it.
     
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    where did i say trump is going to deport and ban all immigrants? i posted a letter from a xenophobe in canada. because theres just been so many incidents of harrassment against minorities in america these past days, that i thouht i'd post an example of it leaking into canada.
    bussing people to polls is legal

    e: says butt hurt and says he doesnt visit 4chan
     
  10. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    This isnt about trump vs hillary at all
    but the video explains really well why the electoral college is a piece of shit.

     
  11. Donald Trump

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    No. The Electoral College was a wonderful tool developed by our founding fathers to prevent mob rule. It works as is intended, and it's probably the best thing we have to make sure mob rule doesn't win.

    America is extremely diverse. Montana has lots of different problems from those in New York, yet if we go to a straight popular vote, candidates will ONLY campaign in large cities across a very very diverse and different country. California's population, if they voted all democrat, would over rule 25 of the 50 states votes if all of their populations voted Republican. That is a system that shouldn't be and the electoral college prevents. Candidates would only focus on extremely populated states and then the countryside wouldn't get policies about them because candidates would only care about the policies that affect the people that get them elected.

    27 of the 50 states have bounding laws, and it should be all states, that bind the electors to the will of the people in each state.
     
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    popular vote is unfair because between NY and Cali 2 very blue states they have millions of people as opposed to most other states.
     
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    Complete never argues based on logic in this thread, he comes up with the most ridiculous posts that's why I stopped responding to them, wont give them any validity
     
  14. vipervicki

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    Donald Trump compared to Andrew Jackson

    "This is like Andrew Jackson's victory. This is the people beating the establishment. And that's how he [Donald Trump] posited right from the beginning, the people are rising up against a government they find to be dysfunctional. And yes, it's a defeat for the Democrats, but this is a defeat for some Republicans too," he told MSNBC.

    Old Hickory. The hero of the Battle of New Orleans. The champion of the common man. Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson, seventh President of the United States, from 1829 to 1837. Father of both the Democratic Party and, arguably, the father of modern politics.

    Let's start with the hair. We all know Jackson's face from the $20 bill. But take a look at that big unruly shock of hair. It was red (at least till he got old).

    Jackson was extremely controversial, charismatic, combative, quick-tempered, unpredictable, showy, and self-publicising. A genius at marketing.

    Despite his own great wealth, he championed the grievances of "the little man," the ordinary farmer and mechanic, against what he called "the aristocracy of the few" - the established political elite of the east coast cities.

    This elite was personified for Jackson by his rival, John Quincy Adams, a cosmopolitan diplomat and, as the son of President John Adams, a member of a political dynasty.

    Jackson shocked and overthrew establishment politics after coming to power in 1828."
     
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    Except both the House and Senate are biased towards the less populated states. Its not like these states would lack adequate representation under a direct election of the President.

    Also, having two elections in our lifetimes in which the President-elect doesn't win the popular vote is troubling. Democratic Republics such as ours derive legitimacy from the fact that our leaders can show they have a majority of the (at least voting) population behind them. The trend in our country has also been to move to a more democratic system, such as when we freed/made citizens of former slaves, gave women the right to vote, and started having direct election of senators. Getting rid of the electoral college (or circumventing it with the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact) seems to be the best way forward.
     
  16. Donald Trump

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    Your argument is "it's biased towards the less populated" well, you see California has 55 electoral votes based on their population, so it is also equally divided among population.

    No, eliminating the electoral college will literally be the biggest fuck you to rural America. When I was in high school, my government teacher even said when the electoral college gets abolished, only the cities will rule. Abolishing the electoral college will make the cities/extremely populated states the focal point of policy. Now, the focal point is based on region. Notice how there seems to be 1 swing state dependent upon the region, Iowa for Midwest, Ohio for the rust belt, North Carolina for the east coast, Florida for the south, Colorado/Nevada for the Rockies. These states all have different needs, seriously they do. If we go to popular vote, policy towards New York will be forced upon an area where that policy simply doesn't work like in Iowa/Minnesota/Michigan/Montana.

    It's really Troubling when the population of California is more than the bottom 24 states in total... that's how much say they get and could drown out the other people's voices.
     
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  17. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    did you watch the video? He explains that the electoral college doesnt do what you say it does, prevent mob rule
     
  18. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    also bad news for vicki but yesterday trump kinda announced he might not repeal obama care, instead he wants to make cha ges to into instead of deleting it all together
     
  19. vipervicki

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    no, he said he is going to keep 2 things that the republicans already have decided to include when they replace it, no one can be denied for pre existing conditions and kids can stay on their parents til 26. everyone wants those 2
     
  20. Paradox

    Paradox I am a gigantic asshole who loses people's hard wo

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    I'm saying they arent going to scratch obamacare all together which is what trump implied during the campaign they are going to edit it.
     
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