Mines Damage vs. Infantry

Seriously? Most new players if anything I've encountered the past week or so have been bitching about getting killed by riflemen so quickly that they can't even react, more than anything.

And to be honest, I'm not really up to date on who the current regulars are, but like two days ago, somebody whom I assume is a fairly new player called bullshit when I ran over his mine and didn't die, which was what alerted me to this "bug" in the first place. If anything, I think mines are more new-player friendly (not as in absolute newbie, but somebody who has a general grasp of the game mechanics, but not really a well developed technique or whatever you want to call it yet), because they serve as kind of an equalizer. Add to this the fact that most regular players get HP upgrade when playing infantry as usually their second or maybe third skill, and if anything, making mines less powerful only makes the game harder on new players.

I mean, the greatest consideration that prevents us from retaining new players is obviously going to be the toxic in-game community (and community in general), by far. At the end of the day, let's be honest: only the opinions of experienced players in Empires will really matter and determine whether or not version x, y, or z will retain said experienced players or not. New players will keep playing this game regardless, because they won't know enough about game mechanics half the time to call bullshit or not.

But making it so that mines don't one-shot infantry - now that's just completely counter-intuitive.

 

To be fair, I've noticed that there's a "surrender" plugin in use on the main server now, which has been useful in preventing matches from dragging on artificially.

Also, wait, I've been reading the logs, and what does it mean that engines can output power when overheated? So sticky stuns don't lock down vehicles anymore? All tanks can move to some extent while overheated?

 

I suppose.

I think the single biggest reason for toxicity in Empires, though, is just the fact that a single new player can literally ruin an entire game quite easily. Get into the CV? Game lost. Buy a super expensive tank and throw it away, especially on a low res map? Game lost. Go scout (especially on a low pop server)? Game lost.

It's just too easy to make scapegoats out of new players - and the worst part is, that it's really not too far from the truth that a new player who has no idea what he or she is doing can often be a major contributing factor to a loss. Thence springs the toxicity.

Now, as for the toxicity on the forums... my theory is that this in-game toxicity ensures that only the most toxic of toxic of players stick around long enough to become a part of the community. Some mellow out after a while, and some don't. But, you know, it only takes one asshole to screw things up for everybody!

 

Dota doesnt have a surrender plug in cause comebach mechanics are a thing there which empires doesnt have.

Also surrender plug in is stupid, only happens when noobs also realize game is over -> rax being camped, base completely overrun = games ending in the next 5 minites if you surrender or not.

I havent seen an actual good usage of surrender plug in cause idiots get to vote for it. Its like democracy in general, it doesnt work because not everyone is informed or smart enough

Tldr long grinds arent avoided by the plugin dont kid yourself.

 

You just cant say that a solution to current long grinds is the surrender plugin.

Its definitely rather a balance issue.

or well...current group of players playing.

Back then you had people organizing rushes and last pushes and such.
No such thing today.

 

To joke around.

You want a community who hates maps like escort/money/... which majority doesnt want, but it still gets voted in every single time....and you need half a server to make a yes vote
Just no.

It just happens so often in this game, that people will simply vote the exact opposite of what everyone wants, just to troll em
And you can clearly see that happen a lot

 

Wow, its like you are speaking from my mind.

An admin capable of figuring out whats the best for current situations.
Instead of just throwing more votes in and expecting that the clueless players will decide better

 

When surrender plugin should be used is less and less so a subjective thing when the PLAYING empires group doesnt work as a team anymore to win. Theres no apc rushes, theres no tank rushes, every pug game is just a slow siege to the end. It becomes objective for players like me and you, even though you dont want to admit it, to realize mid game whos going to win the game. I bet if I specced every game I could tell you what team would win at 20-30 min mark like more than 90 percent of the time.

Also its more like the surrender plugin only works in very few casuses instead of doesnt work in every single case. You make it seem like it works in most cases which it absolutely does not.

My oppinion is completely the opposite the minority. I would like to use the plugin when I Realize the game is over.
But like you say people dont see the game as hopelessly lost. This is attributed to the fact that most of those people dont fucking know when a game is lost if you put a lost game in their face.

Thats why democracy doesnt work uninformed and stupidity.

 

This....
...but yeah, what you said