Will the UK liberate itself from EU slavery today?

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Should the UK leave the EU?

  1. Yes

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  2. YES!

    87.5%
  1. Space_Oddity

    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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    The evidence to suggest that the UK will remain after all is mounting up.

    • Cameron didn't trigger Article 50 before resigning which means the Conservative party can vote in a new leader that can decide not or (or better yet call a general election to avoid Gordon Brown style political suicide.
    • Nigel Farage himself said that a small margin like this vote would not be enough and 2nd referendum would be needed.
    • Boris Johnson himself said that was still time to renegotiate the UK's EU membership and is keen to keep ties even after the vote.
    • After little over a day, the petition for a do-over has reached nearly 3,000,000,000. More than the difference between Remain/Leave.
    • The Leave campaigners have U-Turned on literally every major policy promise they campaigned with before the deal is done.
    • Everything is on fire, oh gods.
     
  2. blizzerd

    blizzerd Member

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    how undemocratic
     
  3. Space_Oddity

    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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    I prefer benevolent fascism.
     
  4. blizzerd

    blizzerd Member

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    probably the best thing ever, until the great leader dies, and his spoiled little brat, or worse, some random asshat takes oves
     
  5. Space_Oddity

    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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    It's good in small and healthy doses where they public can be categorically proven to be chatting shit.
     
  6. Grantrithor

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    Tribal confederations trump all systems.

    Or Samurai-technocrat society where your worth is measured by your intelligence or skill with sword.
     
  7. Z100000M

    Z100000M Vithered Weteran

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    Please tell me The Sun had a headline with the pun of "getting pounded".
     
  8. Donald Trump

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    Cameron didn't trigger Article 50 due to he wants Britain to have three months to begin signing trade deals during this time, giving them access to the market while also preparing for the transition to the free market. The EU themselves have said the UK has voted out and they are going to be removed (For them, sooner rather than later).

    Nigel Farage did say that, but declined for a second referendum. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wont-call-2nd-8277457

    As far as I can tell from any headlines/research, Johnson still wants to get out ASAP, even wanting to run for PM to negotiate deals himself.

    The petition has proven to be absolutely false. ~1/3 of the signatures on there are ACTUALLY people from the UK, hell there are 6800 signatures from NK on the "second referendum" petition. ANYONE can sign and it should be ONLY BRITONS who should decide if there is a second referendum, the world should not get to have a say in this. They voted to stop Globalism and now Globalism is trying to demand they come back.

    Leave Campaign hasn't really U-turned, if you are referring the NHS fiasco. Farage never promised the funds would go specifically to the NHS, rather in the interview that everyone quoted this from he said "those funds could be better used in things like schools, hospitals and GP's". Farage never made the claim, some of the leave campaign did yes, but other parts of the leave campaign didnt either. Similarly to how the remain camp blew the issue of the British Economy collapsing if they left, which it actually kind of improved.

    Actually, things are looking up for the UK in the markets and many of the places that were "reportedly" looking to move people to other countries have came out saying that it was totally false.

    Leave Camp didn't lie about much, and things are looking up. The Pound recovered in about the same day, the Stock Market for Britain ended higher than when it started (even after the HUGE crash), and people have a sense of pride for their country again rather than for the globalist EU trying to strip away their national identity.
     
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  9. Z100000M

    Z100000M Vithered Weteran

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    Wasnt there the whole drama about euros having opinions about us elections not so far ago?
    Well, what the fuck are you doind here trump, go back to your containment thread.
     
  10. Ranger

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    "the globalist EU trying to strip away their national identity." kerkeberk. lol*
     
  11. flasche

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    well at least they didnt write it on busses ...
    [​IMG]
     
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  12. Ranger

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    Nice bus.
     
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  13. Space_Oddity

    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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    The deal was that it would be enacted immediately following the referendum, Article 50 already has a 2 year minimum delay in order for these deals to be created.

    We could have all predicted he would say this; he can't unsay what he previously said though and it will count.

    This whole thing has been about Boris Johnson seizing power (hence why he took over the Leave campaign over more obvious choices) far more than leaving the EU; he wants to be PM but realizes that abandoning Europe will give him an absolute clusterfuck to deal with.
    Boris Johnson says 'no need for haste' to start EU exit negotiations
    Former Mayor of London says 'no need for haste' in initiating Article 50 and beginning process of negotiating Britain’s exit from the EU

    Source, please.

    1) £350m a week for the NHS
    Nigel Farage disowned Vote Leave's '£350m for the NHS pledge' hours after EU referendum result, telling ITV's Good Morning Britain:

    "No I can’t [guarantee it], and I would never have made that claim. That was one of the mistakes that I think the Leave campaign made."

    2) Immigration
    When Brexiteer Dan Hannan suggested the Leave campaign had never promised a "radical decline" in immigration

    The Tory MEP told Newsnight: "We never said there was going to be some radical decline ... we want a measure of control".

    3) The experts were wrong
    Vote Leave's Michael Gove, Boris Johnson and Gisela Stuart had promised on their official site that after a Brexit vote there would not be "a sudden change that disrupts the economy". After the Brexit vote the value of the pound plunged to a 31-year low.



    There are liars and then there’s Boris Johnson and Michael Gove -
    Nick Cohen
    (An interesting read, regardless.)


    u fuckin wot m8

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  14. blizzerd

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    >Nigel Farage disowned Vote Leave's '£350m for the NHS pledge'

    there never was a pledge, there was a suggestion that we could spend it better, for example to the NHS... but there was never a 'we pledge to use the money for the NHS'

    >When Brexiteer Dan Hannan suggested the Leave campaign had never promised a "radical decline" in immigration

    Well they never did, they always ran on the notion of a decline in radical immigrants, not a radical decline of immigrants... they want to bring in more highly educated people and less allah snakbar fortune seekers.
    There was never a 'lets build a wall and close down immigration until we figure out whats going on' vow or anything of the sorts.

    >After the Brexit vote the value of the pound plunged to a 31-year low.

    Just false or a very deceitful statement.
     
  15. Deiform

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    Less deceitful than the £350m for NHS.

    Let's go through the usual argument:

    L. We'd save £350m per week for NHS spending.
    R. No you wouldn't, the EU would force us to pay fees still.
    L. It was never about money! It's about sovereignty.
    R. Yeah well now you have to pay and the EU dictates law and you get no say in regulations because the EU is not going to settle for less.
    L. Why would they cut their nose to spite their face? We'd mutually benefit each other?!
    R. If the EU gives us special agreements then France is the next to leave and the EU collapses.
    L. Well it's a good job we left when we did if the EU is so fragile!
    R. If you take the bottom card out of a house of cards it's always going to collapse.
    L. Should've looked after the bottom then shouldn't you!
    R. Or we should've done more to reform the system rather than leaving it to die.
    L. The EU is unreformable! The only option was to leave!
    R. Yeah it's unreformable whilst UKIP are our representatives who just want to watch it burn.
    L. That's democracy deal with it!
    R. Blah blah fucking blah.
     
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  16. blizzerd

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    Junker tweets


    this man is either the perfect example of what disease has infested the EU atm, or the perfect self destructive troll
     
  17. Donald Trump

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    Yes, but considering that Cameron as well declined a second referendum, and even bragged about it to Farage who said he would persue a second one by saying "It's called a referendum, not a neverendum" Cameron shot himself in his own foot as well.


    Yes, because IMMEDIATELY exiting without some sort of communication to your allies about what just happened. On top of that, not having a Prime Minister willing to go through with the leaving, wanting to set it aside for the next pro-leave prime minister, totally makes sense as to why not to leave RIGHT away. That would be shooting yourself in the foot when your administration is decapitated, they need to take it at a brisk but steady pace as to set up the country for success.


    http://venturebeat.com/2016/06/27/u...after-bots-allegedly-inflate-signature-count/

    Even look at the petitions "signatures" themselves, there have been fucking signatures from Antartica, and 6000 from the Vatican which has a population around 600. Totally fake.

    I was hoping you'd link that video. Because in the INITIAL VIDEO WHICH THEY TOOK THE CLAIM FROM he said we COULD send the money there. It wasn't a guarantee or a promise, it was a suggestion on where the money COULD go but it was spun by the media to make it seem like a promise.

    Leave campaign has said they want a measure of control, that doesnt mean rapid decline, it just means vetting who you want in your country and only bringing in productive members to your society. Why the hell should they accept people who are going to live off of Welfare?

    Of course there is going to be a couple day recourse, but considering the British market is doing MUCH better compared to the rest of Europes stocks. Not to mention that the stocks are ON THE UP AND UP.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/UKX:IND

    http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/ASX:IND

    http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/AXX:IND

    And most of those crashes, excluding some of the stocks, are crashes that were seen in similar severity in the SAME month. Literally, about 2 weeks ago they experienced the same type of crash, it happens. It's the market reacting to something severe but as you can see it is going UP.

    Then, also to counter your point of the British Pound, of course that is going to happen UNTIL THE MARKETS RECOVER. But, we can look at the trends of the last 2 YEARS and see the Pound has been in STEADY decline against the Dollar. http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=2Y


    Your points are mute, your globalist agenda has failed, and socialism/open borders/globalism has begun to come undone. EU nations are now waking up and demanding their own referendums and I guarantee that UK will not be the last to leave. Conservative politicians are winning across the EU and they will usher in referendums of their own and the EU will be dismantled, bringing back individual culture and nations.
     
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  18. complete_

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    did you have to wait a couple days to find out what trumps opinion on this was before you started gimmick posting in this thread
     
  19. blizzerd

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    Gimmick posting? i know this is the forum account donald trump we talk about but he is correct in every single point stated here...

    The EU is the clear sore loser in this whole ordeal, and britain will come out stronger and on top if they play it smart.

    I mean have you followed the EU parliament debates last week? its all 'how can we punish the brittish and hurt them even if we cut in our own skin'

    globalist scum, and i say that as someone who very deeply believes in the EU project... just not in the people that actually run the damn thing and how they get elected.
     
  20. Space_Oddity

    Space_Oddity The Shitstorm

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    Well done.
     

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